| | SPECIAL COLLECTIONS ORAL HISTORY
COLLECTION |
| ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEW #18 |
| Dr. Durwood T. Stokes |
| Chairman of the Department of Social
science and professor of history at Elon College |
| March 27, 1974 |
Herbert Paschal:
I believe it’s 9:35 or past, and in keeping with
our announced schedule it is now my pleasure officially
to convene the second annual Tobacco History Symposium at
East Carolina University. This symposium has as its
central theme this year, “Tobacco’s Impact
Upon Towns and Town Life in North Carolina.” It has
been arranged and organized by the director and assistant
directors of the Institute for Historical Research in
Tobacco, which is sponsored by the Department of History
of East Carolina University. With the help of the
Division of Continuing Education of East Carolina and the
financial assistance of the North Carolina Committee
for
Continuing Education in the Humanities and the
National Endowment for the Humanities, it is here
gratefully acknowledged without their assistance this day
would certainly have not have been possible.
Through the years I have had the pleasure of teaching
I guess literally thousands of East Carolina students,
some hopefully some North Carolina history, and in the
classroom I’ve attempted to stress certain prime
forces and elements in North Carolina history, things
that have moved and shaped the history of this state,
such things as bright leaf tobacco, the dangerous coast
of North Carolina, the problem of sectionalism in North
Carolina. We have on our platform this morning one of
those forces and elements which have continued to shape
North Carolina in the twentieth century, and we are very
proud indeed to have to extend the welcome to you this
morning the chancellor of our university, Dr. Leo W.
Jenkins. Dr. Jenkins.
Leo Jenkins:
Dr. Paschal. It’s a pleasure to welcome all of
you here. There is an old saying that people who do not
look to their past don’t have much of a future, and
I think it’s very proper that we do come together
and talk about things that made North Carolina and put us
where we are right now. Normally in these days whenever
you go to a meeting and you’re associated with a
college or university they want you to talk about
streaking, so I hope you don’t have any streaking
going on here today. [Laughter] Of course even
that’s a good movement, Herb. I think historians
will say that it did bring the town and the college
together. [Laughter] We have more visitors now than we
ever did sometimes. We had a convoy come over from
Kinston the other night when the radio man said
there’s going to be some streaking, so the whole
convoy of them came. It was nice. I know they came over
to see our buildings and [Laughter] [what
we’redoing here.] You know the grasshoppers and
the roaches had a symposium similar to this, Dr. Paschal,
at one time. After the keynote speaker made his talk he
entertained questions, and a little grasshopper jumped up
and said, “We have a real problem. Every winter we
die.” And the expert said, “Well that’s
easy to solve. When it gets a little chilly and you think
winter’s coming on change yourself into roaches.
Then you can eat the best of food and live in warm homes
and enjoy the winter,” and everybody applauded.
This little grasshopper got up again and he said,
“I’ve got a second question that pertains to
the first one,” and the speaker was a little bit
tired of him and he said, “What is it this
time?” He said, “Well how do we turn
ourselves into roaches?” He said, “Well let
me make one thing very, very clear. I’ve come here
to give you the big idea; you work out the
details.” [Laughter] So anything that you might
hear, you work out the details of it.
We have a big operation going here, as you know, and
we’re very honored really when people from the
business community, particularly those of you who
represent our biggest piece of the economy in Eastern
North Carolina, the tobacco industry, come here and spend
some time with us. It costs us about twenty-five million
dollars of your money and the money of parents of
students, which is still your money, to run this
institution. It’s a very expensive undertaking. We
have some fifteen hundred full time employees. As a
matter of fact we have more employees here now than we
had students when I came here, and they come from all
over the world and they are trained in some of the
greatest of our universities, so it’s only right
and proper that the expertise that does exist on our
various campuses should be brought to the attention of
our citizenry. So we are very honored and pleased that
you have elected to come and
spend a few hours with us. I wish I could spend some
more time with you. I’ve got a gang waiting for me
at 10:00 this morning and then I’ve got to run on
to Chicago, so our life gets to be such that we
don’t get the chance to enjoy it as much as I would
like to. But again you’re very welcome and I know
you’ll have a very fine symposium. Thank you very
much.
Herbert Paschal:
Thank you, Dr. Jenkins, and good luck on your trip.
It’s my pleasure now to introduce to you the
director of the institute, who has worked long and
diligently to bring this program together today and to
make possible this second symposium. Without further ado,
since most of you have not had the opportunity to meet
him, I introduce the director of the Institute for
Historical Research in Tobacco, Dr. John Ellen.
John Ellen:
Thank you, Herb. It’s good to see a number of
you folks back again this time. This is our second
venture, our second annual symposium dealing with the
history of tobacco. Let me add a real warm welcome to
that of the two previous speakers, this one on behalf of
the Institute for Historical Research in Tobacco. It was
just one year ago that we welcomed a good many of you
here. It’s good to see you back again, as I just
emphasized. Last year’s program featured a number
of top names from the elite among tobacco historians, and
as you’re all well aware there are not too many of
this type person around. Thus we’re very proud
personally to be able to return several of these speakers
from last year to this present symposium. Some of the
more popular ones will be with us again today: Dr. Nannie
Mae Tilley, Melvin Herndon, and Robert Durden, all big
names in the area of tobacco history and telling the
story of tobacco. These plus Durwood Stokes of Elon
College and Bill Humphries, the farm
observer, will constitute our program main speakers
for the day. I think it’s a real strong program,
we’re proud of it, and I believe they will cover
the theme we have for this year, “The Impact of
Tobacco upon Towns and Town Life in North
Carolina,” and they will cover it very well.
For the benefit of those who are attending their
initial tobacco history symposium, let me quickly refer
to the essentials which have made this program a reality.
Tobacco has been a major force in the lives of the people
of this state since the first Virginia settlers came in
the mid-seventeenth century, around the Dismal Swamp and
into Albemarle Sound. The Virginians brought with them
their love for this crop, which quickly became the
colony’s first important staple. While tobacco
declined sharply in importance in the antebellum North
Carolina era, production began to expand rapidly in the
late nineteenth century. The twentieth century has seen
North Carolina become not only the world’s leading
producer of tobacco leaf but also the world’s
leading manufacturer of tobacco products. Tobacco has
really played a dual role, a twofold role, in the
development of this state in the area of urbanization,
and that’s an area that we are dealing with
primarily today. It has acted both as a deterrent on
occasion and as a stimulus, as a stimulus particularly to
the rise of certain marketing and manufacturing centers.
More important, however, has been the impact of this crop
on the day-to-day lives of rural and urban North
Carolinians and indeed upon their counterparts in other
Southern tobacco producing states. Thus there was and is
a definite need for developing a major center for the
study of the extent of this tobacco’s impact upon
those whose lives have been touched by tobacco and the
tobacco industry in order that you and we may understand
and appreciate that society which has
developed around this major staple crop. In this way
the strengths and weaknesses of this society resting upon
a tobacco-based economy can be more readily ascertained
and those values most worthy of retention can be
identified.
To launch such a study of tobacco history and its
impact upon this state in particular, the South, and the
nation, the Department of History of this institution has
founded the Institute for Historical Research in Tobacco
late in the year 1972. This organization is now beginning
to accumulate resources necessary for the long and
involved task of studying the tobacco society’s
evolution. The first major effort of the institute, the
better understanding and interpretation of the tobacco
story, was last year’s symposium. Academic
humanists with varying competencies in the history of
tobacco and a cross section of persons comprising the
tobacco society, growers, processors, manufacturers,
exporters, buyers, other industry personnel and
interested persons attended that meeting. The papers were
presented by able speakers. Discussion and questions
sessions followed. As a result, some of the doors to
understanding the tobacco story and tobacco society were
opened a bit wider and a number of suggested paths for
fruitful research in the future were pointed out to
various ones of us.
Secondly, and integral to the ongoing program of the
institute, is a need to acquire by gift and/or purchase
basic works on the history and development of tobacco not
already held by the East Carolina University Joyner
Memorial Library. Acquisitions in this area have been
encouraging this year, certainly, and more about that
later on.
Thirdly, essential to the long-range project is the
developing of a center for collecting manuscript
materials, records of all aspects of the tobacco society,
including farm journals, marketing warehouse records,
personal correspondence relating to tobacco, records of
manufacturing companies, exporters, and so forth.
Acquisitions are being housed in the East Carolina
Manuscript Collection in the Joyner Memorial Library.
Desirable manuscript offerings have first to be located,
of course, evaluated, and if deemed important acquired by
gift or purchase. This manuscript repository will provide
a center for the study of the tobacco society and a means
of interpreting that society’s past and its
present. Unusually important and revealing documents
casting light upon the tobacco society can be reproduced
and given wide distribution at a minimum cost. Of course
these documents, too, must be first collected and
identified, before they are ready for reproduction.
Professor Don Lennon, the director of the East Carolina
Manuscript Collection, has been soliciting tobacco
materials for some time now throughout this entire
tobacco region. Success in this area was very slow at
first but has become most rewarding in the last few days.
More about that later.
Once again we solicit your interest and support, not
only in ferreting out available manuscript materials, but
also your support in acquiring those of real value to the
program already described. We believe that Greenville and
Pitt County, located in the heart of the large eastern
bright tobacco belt, is a logical center for collecting
and housing primary and secondary resources relating to
tobacco in the Carolinas, Virginia, and other southern
tobacco producing states.
And now just a few housekeeping chores for the day. We
have a light problem, as has already been affirmed.
They’re working on the lights apparently and
hopefully
they will be in better shape. All we have is a few
spots at the moment. It’s like the energy crisis
has really gotten us. It was not planned that way I
assure you, however. If you have not registered and
picked up a name tag please do so in the lobby at your
convenience, by the noon hour. The program as printed on
the brochure is intact as far as I can tell at the moment
and thus we did not print any additional throwaway
programs this year, as we did last year. Coffee will be
available in the lobby during most of the day. As far as
points of information about this particular building, the
Allied Health Building, restrooms are located just behind
the platform and outside the auditorium, as you are
facing now, men on the right, ladies on the left. There
is a pay telephone in the west wing of the lobby for
those that might need to make a phone call. There was a
no smoking sign here, but there are ashtrays around, and
I don’t see it at the moment so we won’t
worry about that, I suppose. Those signs are in all state
university auditoriums automatically, as I understand it.
We used ashtrays last year with reckless abandon, so
those who want to light up, please do so.
I feel certain that all of you will want to hear Bill
Humphries at the luncheon today. He’s a former farm
editor of the Raleigh News & Observer, for some
twenty years I suppose, and now associated with North
Carolina State University in another capacity but still
in agriculture, of course. The luncheon is scheduled for
12:30 at the Ramada Inn, the restaurant, which is about a
quarter of a mile or less west of this building on US 264
Bypass. There should be adequate parking there, as there
doesn’t seem to be here. We may use the east side
entrance of that building to a room in the rear of the
restaurant. Tickets are on sale in the lobby.
They’re three dollars per customer and may be
purchased until 12:30. The afternoon session featuring
Nannie
Mae Tilley and Robert Durden is slated for 2:30 in
this auditorium, so we will have roughly about a two-hour
period to get from here down to the Ramada Inn and back,
those of us that are going to the luncheon, and return.
Once again, welcome. At this time I want to turn the
direction of the morning session over to a friend of mine
and history colleague, Professor Fred Ragan of the
Department of History, one of the associate directors of
the Institute for Historical Research in Tobacco and one
of its most ardent supporters. Thank you. Fred.
Fred Ragan:
Thank you, Professor Ellen. I, too, extend a welcome
to the Tobacco Institute, and the first part of our
program deals with, of course, tobacco in the towns. Our
first speaker is Professor Durwood T. Stokes. He’s
a native of North Carolina; received his graduate degree
at the University of North Carolina; presently is an
officer in the North Carolina Historical Society.
He’s the secretary-treasurer of that society.
Recently he has been commissioned to write a history of
Dillon County, South Carolina. He’s published a
number of articles in the North Carolina Historical
Review and the South Carolina Historical Magazine. One of
those articles deals with the town of Milton, the town
that he will be speaking about today. It deals with the
Milton Chronicle, the newspaper of the town. Professor
Stokes is chairman of the Department of Social Science
and he is a professor of history at Elon College. His
topic this morning is “Milton: The Growth and
Decline of a Tobacco Town.” Professor.
Durwood T. Stokes:
Durwood T. Stokes: The town of Milton in northeast
Caswell County, North Carolina, is situated on a high
ridge which slopes steeply downward on the south side
to Country Line Creek and on the north side to the Dan
River and the Virginia state line. It was named either
for Robert Milton, a pioneer settler in the vicinity, or
for Thomas Milton, who operated a mill in the area. As
early as 1728 a settlement had been made on the site and
the name which became permanent was in common usage by
May 11, 1781, when the Marquis de Lafayette wrote a
letter headed “Milton” to General Sumner. A
census taken in 1784 showed Caswell County to be the
second most populous county in North Carolina, and
doubtless some of this growth was centered in Milton, for
the town was incorporated on December 23, 1796, eight
days earlier than Baltimore, Maryland, received its
corporate charter. Almost immediately Milton became
commercially important and throughout the nineteenth
century its fortunes rose and fell on succeeding waves of
prosperity, after which it experienced a decline and its
prestige catapulted downward to its present unimpressive
level. Although it remains today the only incorporated
town in Caswell County, Milton’s population has
shrunk to a fraction of its peak figure and only a
vestige of its former importance remains. The extent of
the resulting obscurity was clearly evident in 1971
during the town’s 175th anniversary celebration. On
that occasion Governor Robert W. Scott, one of the most
widely traveled chief executives this state ever had,
confessed in his address that while he was born and
reared only some 50 miles distant, he never previously
visited Milton. The prime factor in this ebb and flow of
commercial prestige has been tobacco.
There is not an abundance of factual material on the
history of the Caswell community, especially for specific
periods of the town’s existence, but the
fragmentary data which has been preserved, consisting
primarily of newspaper articles and
contemporary accounts, furnish a deep and intimate
insight into the events that transpired and supplement
the more impersonal statistics and general records. For
this reason the extant information presents a more
complete picture than its meager quantity would
ordinarily indicate, and it is this material which
delineates the role of tobacco in the story of the town.
Significantly, Milton’s charter specified that as
soon as the town shall be laid out inspectors of tobacco
and flour be appointed by the town government and
warehouses erected for the storage of these
commodities.
This provision is understandable, for throughout
colonial North Carolina, hardly a more suitable area for
agricultural development could have been found than the
valley of the Dan. In 1728 William Byrd described the
bent of the river as “a level of exceeding rich
land full of large trees and covered with black mould, as
fruitful as that which is yearly overflowed by the
Nile.” This promising area was settled by farmers
and tobacco, being a profitable agricultural crop, was
cultivated as early as any in the area. Milton soon
became the focal point in the region where farmers could
sell their cured weed and the commercial buyers could
then ship their bulk purchases by barge on the Dan River
into Virginia. There was no appreciable competition from
other Caswell communities, because they lacked the
facility enjoyed by Milton of being on the banks of a
navigable river, which flowed into the adjoining state.
In 1810 Bartlett Yancey observed that Caswell’s
staple commodities of tobacco, cotton, and [26:09] flour:
“We generally send our produce to Petersburg and
Richmond.”
Milton was the gateway to the Virginia markets, and by
this time sufficiently profited by this advantage to
boast of two stores, a saddler’s shop, a
hatter’s shop, a tavern, with about fifteen or
twenty houses, according to Yancey. At this time
Milton
was sharing with most of the United States a
prosperity caused by the boom which followed the War of
1812 and in most accounts of the town’s commercial
growth tobacco is prominently mentioned. In 1818 the
Raleigh Register commented:
This newly established little town on Dan River
flourishes beyond any example in this state. Property
which a year ago would not have sold for fifteen hundred
dollars will now command fifteen thousand. Lots on the
main street sell at the high price of a hundred dollars a
foot front. Land in the neighborhood is also in
proportion.
Archibald DeBow Murphey, who had been one of the
commissioners appointed to lay out the town for
incorporation, was so impressed while doing so with the
potentiality for its growth that he invested in real
estate in the vicinity. Writing to Judge Ruffin in 1818,
he included a glowing account of the town:
As to Milton, speculation has raised there beyond my
expectation. Lots on the main street have sold for nearly
an hundred dollars per foot. The company--that’s
probably the Roanoke Navigation Company--have laid out a
new street and sold a few lots. Their sales have already
exceeded fifty thousand dollars and they expect the
residue of their lands will bring seventy-five or a
hundred thousand dollars. About fourteen hundred
hogsheads of tobacco have been received there. Lands in
the neighborhood are selling from twenty to fifty dollars
per acre. I understand that more than five hundred
hogsheads of tobacco have been received at Danville and
that the property which I sold Mr. [28:18] would now sell
for more than a hundred thousand dollars. A great deal of
capital is centering in Milton and Danville.
The possibility of connecting the waters of the
Roanoke and Dan Rivers by canal was a subject of general
interest at the time, and this contemplated project
inspired a comment in Niles’ Register:
The improvement in the navigation of the noble River
Roanoke we have hereto observed has given birth to
several new and thrifty villages. We have just received
the fourth number of a well printed newspaper established
at the new town of Milton, North Carolina, which also has
a post office, and at which fifteen hundred hogsheads of
tobacco were received of the last crop. The New Bern Bank
has an agency to place and another is expected from the
state bank.
However, this rosy economic bubble was pricked by the
Panic of 1819 and its effect, mentioned in a letter
written by Alexander Murphy, a Caswell planter and
merchant, to Col. Murphy: “Business is quite dull.
No sales of property can now be made,” he wrote.
This commercial deflation was discouraging but the
staunch Miltonians were doggedly determined to forge
ahead regardless of falling real estate prices as there
was still a demand for tobacco. John H. Perkins began
publication of the Milton Intelligencer in 1818, which
was not only the first in Caswell but the only newspaper
at the time between Greensboro and Hillsborough. Although
the paper changed owners and names several times, the
newspaper was published in Milton almost continuously
throughout the following century. At the same time, the
tobacco market was enlarged and the Roanoke Navigation
Company, also known sometimes as the Roanoke and Dan
River Navigation Company, expedited the freight shipments
on the river. Encouraged by improving transportation
facilities and aware that there was a profit both in
growing tobacco and in processing it, several Caswell
entrepreneurs founded establishments in manufacturing
plug chewing tobacco for the general market. Because of
the success of these factories, new and larger stores
were opened in the town. Mills were established for the
processing of oil and the manufacture of woolen goods and
cotton cloth. Doctors, lawyers, and insurance agents
opened offices and even a dancing master sought pupils
for his classes. The mulatto Tom Day advertised his
cabinet shop where the furniture he made, so highly
prized today by collectors, was for sale. A hotel was
built and two boarding schools opened, one for boys and
one for girls. Religion was not neglected and a
Presbyterian church founded in 1826 enrolled thirty
members in less than two years.
These and other developments were encouraging, but
while they were taking place Miltonians kept a wary and
somewhat jealous eye on Danville, a few miles away on the
Virginia side of the river. Incorporated in 1792, that
town was reaping the same benefits on the north side of
the fertile Dan valley that Milton was harvesting on the
south side. Competition eventually rose from other towns,
but it was Danville that became the chief rival of Milton
for the domination of the area’s commerce, of which
tobacco was a substantial part.
While Milton was growing appreciably during the
antebellum period, farming in Caswell changed for the
most part into a plantation regime, as Miss Nannie Mae
Tilley has stated in her study of the tobacco industry.
The county was more suitable for the growing of tobacco
than cotton and crops were profitably produced by slave
labor. As a result, the valued black manpower supply
outgrew the white population in numbers according to the
census reports, which in 1800 had 5,887 whites, 2,788
slaves, and in 1860 there were 6,587 whites and 9,355
slaves.
The profits from this labor supply enabled the
plantation owners to build impressive homes, entertain
lavishly, enjoy fishing and hunting on an elaborate
scale, and maintain stables of blooded horses for racing.
The latter was so popular that the sport of kings became
the king of sports in Caswell County, with Milton at its
center. As early as 1810 Bartlett Yancey mentioned the
organization of the Jockey Club [of the] Caswell [33:21]
and boasted: “Few counties have more useful elegant
horses. They are from the stock of [33:27], True Blue,
[33:29], Magic, and [33:31]. There are valuable horses
from [33:33] and nonpareil.” Later [33:37], Harry
Clay, and Passover were added to the list. Even
impressive stud fees of twenty-five dollars could
hardly
have completely financed such an expensive sport, and
what other major source of revenue did the sporting
planters have than their tobacco profits? Unfortunately,
they did not seem to realize that the enjoyment of this
pursuit might not be always possible.
However, tobacco caused no worry at the time, for the
local newspaper quotations show that the price paid for
the golden weed steadily increased on the Milton market
during the two decades preceding 1860. Out of a table I
have here I’m going to read the quotation for
Choice Tobacco, which in 1841 was selling from ten to
twelve dollars and in 1857 advanced to fifteen to
eighteen, and the other was similar in rise. These prices
compared favorably from those also quoted from the
markets at Petersburg, Lynchburg, and Richmond, but
significantly the Milton paper omitted quotations from
the Danville market, even though they were probably in
line with other prices elsewhere.
In 1841 Charles Napoleon Bonaparte Evans bought the
Milton newspaper, renamed it the Milton Chronicle, and
published it almost without interruption for nearly half
a century. This highly intelligent and gifted editor
immediately became the most vociferous booster for the
town, the leading champion of the tobacco industry, and
the most severe critic of Caswell County agriculture. In
1850 Evans jubilantly announced:
Thirteen hogsheads tobacco made by Mr. N. Norwood,
Warren County, North Carolina, said to be the most
inferior crop grown by him for several years, was sold in
this market yesterday by Mr. John M. Shepherd, Jr.,
commission merchant, at the following satisfactory
prices: four hogsheads at twelve dollars, one at ten
dollars, four at eight dollars, three at seven dollars,
and one of lugs at six dollars.
In the same issue of the paper the editor replied
cockily to an article in the Danville Register which
boasted about the ten tobacco factories in that town:
We believe our four factories can’t be beat by
either the ten in manufacturing good chewing tobacco, and
we dare the ten to send us a
plug of their best to compare with a plug of the best
from the four factories in Milton. The factory that
don’t send us a plug will be durned afraid to come
to trial and treated accordingly.
So much for that.
Eight years later the following appeared in the
Chronicle:
Think of sixty dollars per hundred for tobacco in
Milton and tell big Richmond and Lynchburg to spur up
their steeds. We have no humbuggery in our market. Our
manufacturers are plain, solid, matter of fact men who do
not seek to deceive planters by false appearances.
These articles indicate tobacco had become big
business in Milton. Joseph Clark Robert in his study of
the industry summarized the importance of the commodity
as follows:
By 1860 the manufacture of tobacco ranked among other
industries in North Carolina fifth as to capital
investment, fourth in value of product, and third in cost
of raw material and number of hands employed. Of the
ninety-four factories operating in the state at that time
the eleven in Caswell were considerably larger than the
others and five of these were in Milton.
These plants were of primary economic importance to
the town, although the exact extent of the operations is
difficult to determine. When the establishment of George
W. Thompson burned in 1861, it was described as an
extensive tobacco factory and the loss included at least
20,000 pounds of loose tobacco and 40 boxes of the
manufactured product. In the same newspaper which
reported the event, an account was given of a fire in
Person County which destroyed the factory of Green
Williams valued at $20,000. Since the Caswell plants were
the largest in the state, each of Milton’s plants
must have exceeded $20,000 in value and therefore
represented an impressive capital outlay for the
period.
In 1850 the value of the freight shipped annually from
Milton was approximated at between twenty-five and thirty
thousand dollars. At the same time, Danville claimed
seventy thousand dollars worth annually, including her
cotton goods, which evoked a derisive comment in the
Chronicle that, “We had supposed the freight to and
from both towns combined fell short of this sum,”
and that the nearest cotton factory to the Virginia city
was in Milton. Tobacco undoubtedly accounted for most of
the poundage shipped from the Carolina town but not all,
for Milton had other industry including a cotton yarn
mill described as unsurpassed in the South for its
splendor and magnificent operations. So, even with
tobacco reigning as king, there was some diversification
in Milton’s industry and even a small amount in
Caswell’s agriculture. The newspaper often strongly
advised both town and county that there should be much
more. In 1855 the critical Evans published the following
sarcastic caution to farmers:
Bacon and lard: These articles are in great demand in
Milton. Not a pound of the one or the other can be had
for love, money, liquor--how surprising--or affection.
Meat, meat, more meat, and less tobacco.
In the same issue of the Chronicle, the Caswell County
agricultural fair was discussed:
We hope the farmers and mechanics, the maids and the
matrons duly appreciate its importance. If farmers would
think more of agricultural pursuits and less about
political parties the county would be vastly benefited.
If the agricultural society of Caswell would advise more
attention to the raising of corn and hogs and less
culture of tobacco it might do good. We have lately seen
large tobacco growers running from pillar to post trying
to buy something to eat and couldn’t do it. Such
men ought to fast for a few days.
Two years later, in a more somber vein, the warning
was repeated:
The time for planting is close at hand and it is to be
hoped that farmers will think of something besides
tobacco. Folks may eat tobacco but they can’t live
on it, nor can they live by looking at the money they
got for it. Better raise your own stock and plenty of
food for man and beast, like our kind and venerable
friend John Gunn, Sr., who is undoubtedly a model farmer
if not the best in Caswell. Horses are now going at tall
prices. Raise them for yourselves. Blue beef sells high,
and we can’t get a milk cow worth having short of a
big price. Raise more cattle. And there is naturally a
four-legged hog for every two-legged one that preys upon
hog meat. Raise your own hogs and plenty of them.
Don’t let baccer starve us all out.
The sage editor of the Chronicle was neither a
sensationalist nor a false alarmist. Why then, with
tobacco selling higher than ever, the factories running
full time, and the county prosperous, did he have qualms
about the future of tobacco? One of the reasons began
with the discovery by the Slade brothers about 1852 of
the new method of curing the weed to produce the bright
yellow tobacco leaf which instantly became popular and
caused the price of the commodity to skyrocket. This even
occurred in Caswell County, and as a result the farmers
of that section increased their acreage, concentrating on
the big money crop even if the growing of needed food and
forage had to be neglected. This was one reason Evans was
apprehensive, for such a program seemed foolish to him
and he said as much. Another reason for the
publisher’s concern was that the railroads had come
into the picture and the Dan River freighters faced
formidable competition from the new carriers. Evans was
convinced that the iron horse would eventually win the
race and later events proved him to be correct. So for
these two reasons, if no more, he fought harder than ever
through the power of the press to help his team win.
Throughout the first half of the nineteenth century
the batting averages of the two rival towns had been on
the whole about equal, but when the Richmond and Danville
Railroad was chartered in 1845, Danville’s score
began to climb. Strenuous efforts were made to have the
[track] routed through Milton, but when that battle
was
lost a statement in the Chronicle expressed the hope
that the tracks would be laid far away from the town.
This comment has been misconstrued to mean that the
Miltonians did not want a railroad at all. Actually, the
town desired one very much, but not one that would bypass
the town while draining the freight from its nearby
trading area in the other towns, especially Danville.
The Milton population were then exhilarated over the
defeat of the so-called “Danville [Steal]”,
in which plans were thwarted to construct a road from
Charlotte, North Carolina, to Danville, but the joy was
short lived as the North Carolina Railroad was chartered
in 1849 and bypassed Caswell County entirely. The
undaunted editor next led a movement to solve the new
dilemma and in 1850 suggested the following plan:
We now contemplate a branch railroad with the central
route in this state, to tap it somewhere in Orange or
Alamance. To do this we shall only have some twenty-four
or twenty-eight miles of road to build. If we can get
this branch we promise the state and Wilmington in
particular to pour the rich products of the valley of the
Dan in to the Wilmington market.
This proposal failed to secure sufficient financial
backing and by the mid 1850s cars were running on a
completed road and carrying freight into Danville. Still
Milton did not give up, and ferried goods across the Dan
to a junction on the Richmond-Danville line. By 1858 the
large number of ferry boat accidents inspired a clamor
for a toll bridge built across the river so that
Milton’s freight could be hauled by wagon to the
Barksdale depot.
During the years when the railroads were under
construction, the North Carolina legislature issued
numerous charters authorizing the building of plank
roads. Milton obtained one, but the timbers were never
laid. Instead, the Yanceyville and Danville
Plank Road was completed and Milton cut off from the
flow of traffic more than ever. However, the possibility
of building a railroad from the town remained, and in
1860 Editor Evans used all the rhetoric for which he
could find printer’s ink to promote the
project:
What stronger appeal could be made to the interests of
patriotism of our people than the fact that this
significant enterprise is put in jeopardy for the want of
a comparatively trivial amount--sixty thousand dollars.
Will they allow it to fail? Then they close their eyes to
its vital importance and suffer it to fail by their
default.
Public pulse might have been sufficiently stimulated
by this appeal to finance the road, but the unfortunate
war for Southern independence began the next year and
most construction came to an end for the duration. The
Milton Blues, which included most of the youth of the
town and county, dutifully mobilized and bravely marched
away to join the Confederate forces in Virginia. With the
railroads busily hauling military supplies, Milton was
able to again use the Dan profitably for her freight and
tobacco continued to absorb the interest of Caswell to
the neglect of other crops. In 1863 one frustrated
citizen inquired of the Chronicle, “What has a body
got to do that can’t buy bacon, beef, nor fowl,
even if he has the money to pay for it?” to which
the irritated editor replied, “Join the
army.” [Laughter]
In the same year [Break in recording from 46:55 to
47:43; end of side one of tape] who was then fighting in
the Army of Northern Virginia, finally released his pent
up ire on the subject of tobacco:
It would be a glorious deed for the Southern
Confederacy if every tobacco factory in it were burnt to
the ground and their very ashes scattered to the four
winds of heaven. These moneymaking machines are mainly
responsible for the exorbitant prices now charged for the
accessories of life. Plenty of money and no poor kin,
they stand on price. They would as soon give fifty
dollars a barrel for corn as five or five
dollars a bushel for potatoes as twenty-five cents. We
hope our legislature will pass a law not only suspending
the manufacture of tobacco but imposing a fine of ten
dollars on every tobacco plant cultivated during the war.
Our idea is that people can do better without tobacco
than meat or bread.
Again the crusading editor had made a plea for
agricultural diversification and as later events proved
again it was for the most part unheeded.
When the war ended, Milton’s prosperity suffered
extensively from the fall of the Confederacy. Part of her
industry failed to survive the conflict; more succumbed
to the economic rigors of Reconstruction. However, there
was still a market for tobacco and it remained king
although the throne was considerably shaken. After an
abortive attempt to increase planters’ interest in
the profits from drying fruits and growing broom corn,
the Chronicle’s editor disgustedly ceased advising
farmers and concentrated on the town and its market.
“Let’s get up a steamer on the Dan and
enlarge the tobacco market,” he wrote in 1869.
Evans then turned his attention to the problems of the
factories and made this radical proposal:
We know of one and but one way to get the tax taken
off tobacco, and that is for the manufacturers in the
South to hold a convention and all hands resolve to stop
manufacturing and stop at once. This would give all the
manufacturing business entirely to the North where the
best government the world ever saw, in the kindness of
its honest and fair dealing heart, has been working these
many years to transfer it, and presto change, the whole
tax would be at once taken off tobacco. The thousands of
Negroes who would be turned out to starve could amuse
themselves by making tobacco for the Northern factories,
but we would advise anyone else to make it. If they go
north the whites will not let them work in the factories
and then they can’t vote nor hold office. Let us
quit manufacturing and stop all the distilleries for two
years, just to see what effect it will have on the
national treasury and infernal--that’s a
quote--revenue collectors. [Laughter] The best government
the world ever saw ought not to rob us of our little hard
earnings after robbing us of our Negro property.
“It’s a shame,” an honest old Negro
told us a few days ago. He thought it was a damn shame.
He was abusing the government for turning him out to
starve in the name of freedom.
This scathing article was doubtless easy for the
editor to write because, as Robert pointed out in his
study, the relationship between the tobacco manufacturer
in the South and the factory in the North was not
entirely satisfactory, even in the best of times, and
during the trials of Reconstruction it was only natural
to lay the blame for both old and new grievances on the
federal government, and Evans caustically did so.
Transportation facilities during the post-war period
continued to be the major problem of the town on the Dan.
During the war years the North Carolina legislature
chartered the Piedmont Railway Company to connect the
Richmond and Danville line with the North Carolina
Railroad on the best, cheapest, and most direct
practicable route. Again Milton was bypassed, and on
February 14, 1866, the first cars ran on the new road
from Greensboro to Danville. The Roanoke and Dan River
Navigation Company was still Milton’s only
transportation facility and while it was proclaimed alive
and kicking in 1869, the Chronicle interpreted this to
mean, “that is it kicks after collecting tolls but
is as dead as the [52:16] as far as working on the river
is concerned.” This criticism was deserved, for the
company became increasingly indifferent to serving its
customers and when it expired in 1880 the comment was
that it should be made to return the tolls it collected
for the last twenty years.
In addition to these transportation problems, the
Milton tobacco market was suffering from other ailments.
According to Miss Tilley’s study, the warehouse
auction method of selling tobacco originated before the
war in the Danville area. It’s claimed by some that
it even originated in Milton, and it was in vogue
generally by 1870. A state tax of fifty dollars plus a
county tax of fifty dollars and a town tax of five
dollars levied on each warehouse was regarded as adding
insult to injury, and in 1877 the
Chronicle predicted such an unjust revenue persecution
would soon drive the tobacco into the Virginia market to
be sold and manufactured. This prophecy was alarming, for
if tobacco were ever forced to leave Milton what else
would be left? The plight of the town on the Dan at this
time was sad indeed, with slave labor in the county gone
forever and luxurious living, including expensive horse
racing, had gone with it. One by one, Milton’s
industries were forced by the transportation bottleneck
to either close their plants or move their operations
elsewhere, and the mercantile business suffered
correspondingly. Only tobacco was left and it was in
trouble. Little wonder that Editor Evans swallowed his
pride and solicited advertising from Danville’s
merchants for the Chronicle on the grounds that it
circulated in Caswell and adjacent counties that traded
largely in Danville.
By this time the Miltonians finally realized that they
must make a desperate effort if their tobacco industry
was to be retained and that competitive transportation
was necessary for that purpose. As a result, after years
of agitation and pleading that had been unheeded, the
essential capital was miraculously acquired and in 1877
the aging Charles Napoleon Bonaparte Evans was honored
and rewarded with the honor of lifting the first
shovelful of dirt for the construction of a narrow gauge
railroad to run from Milton to Sutherland on the Richmond
and Danville line. This was the dawn of a new day and it
did not pass unnoticed in the press, which commented:
Since the building of the Milton and Sutherland Road
has become established fact the town that once was
considered finished begins to look up. People are
immigrating there. New houses are being built. A bank is
soon to be established. Property holders are beginning to
build dwelling houses. This is one way of how it
works.
And in the spirit of this appraisal Milton acquired a
new lease on life. The tobacco industry was saved, at
least for the time being.
Despite the improvement in transportation, problems
still existed in connection with tobacco. [55:31]
appeared on the road paid to draw for other tobacco
markets and particularly against the Milton market. Price
competition was keen, as indicated when the resourceful
Evans had his fictitious creation, Jesse Holmes the
Fool-Killer, write to the Chronicle that he everlastingly
wore out a planter who took in his tobacco on the Milton
market, carried it elsewhere, and got a third less for
it.
However, these and other minor problems failed to
discourage the tobacco enthusiasts, for 2,000,000 pounds
of the weed was sold on the Milton market in 1880 and
there were at least four tobacco manufacturers operating
in the town. The farmers were actually stimulated by the
fact further that the sale of 30,000,552 pounds on the
rival Danville market the same year took place and they
planted larger crops than ever. Plants were still being
set out in June of that year, when the cautious Evans
warned the farmers that it would be more profitable to
plant corn as enough tobacco was already in the ground.
According to custom this advice went unheeded, and as a
result the improvident farmers were forced to buy food
and forage at high prices, which they blamed on the
railroad freight rates. When this occurred the sagacious
Evans printed a blunt rebuke:
The railroads are now feeding this tobacco country,
furnishing us with nearly all that we eat, bacon, corn,
and flour, and but for them dumb brutes would be on very
short rations two thirds of the year. Stop abusing the
railroads.
Nevertheless, tobacco acreage was not decreased.
The claim has been made that at one time
Milton’s population approximated 1,500 people, but
this assertion has neither been substantiated nor
disproved. The national census of 1880, the first to list
the population of towns, gave Milton 613 people. In the
ensuing decade this figure increased to 705, probably
because of improved transportation facilities and despite
the overproduction of tobacco. In 1889 one manufacturer
in the town sold 224,000 pounds of his product and
business improved in general, regardless of the fact that
in the same year eighteen manufacturers in Danville sold
7,000,000-odd pounds, four in Reidsville 8,000,000-odd
pounds, twenty in Winston 8,000,000-odd pounds, and
Durham’s four accounted for 4,500,000 pounds of
smoking tobacco. This contrast might ordinarily have been
discouraging, but business was improving in Milton and
tobacco was still king.
There were other concrete reasons for the confidence
of the economic situation prevalent in the Caswell town.
During the last quarter of the nineteenth century, the
Atlantic and Danville Railroad, first known as the
Norfolk, Danville, and Franklin Road, was constructed and
it ran through Milton. At long last there was a real
railroad in the county and in the same period the long
desired toll bridge spanning the Dan at Milton became a
reality. Never had the town been in a better position to
diversify its economy and the visional Evans promptly
recognized this opportunity with a prophecy:
Milton has taken no false growth since the war. It has
improved slowly but perceptibly, we trust a sure growth.
Her businessmen have remained substantial and their
credit unimpaired. But Milton as a water power is bound
to develop solid results in less than ten years. There
will be mills and factories and railroads will be running
along the fine Dan River bottom. It’s bound to be.
Nature invites it.
The water power praised by the editor was a natural
resource to which Milton had equal access with Danville,
and textile mills were dependent upon it. In 1882
three
cotton factories were organized in the Virginia town,
financed largely by earnings accumulated in the tobacco
trade and other local enterprises, while the Miltonians
continued to focus their interest on the growing demand
for tobacco. There was sufficient capital in the Carolina
town, also accrued from tobacco profits, to finance new
enterprises and utilize the abundant water power, but
none of it was used for such a purpose. Why invest money
in speculated ventures such as textile mills, the
Miltonians reasoned, when they already had a prosperous
and growing tobacco industry? Thus the possible
development of their natural asset was disregarded and
this proved to be a tragic mistake. Had the town seized
this opportunity while it was useful, it might have
safeguarded its future with a variety of industries and
become a commercial center of distinction, but tobacco
was king and only one head could wear the crown so the
water power remained undeveloped.
While the ideas of Evans were being ignored by his
overconfident associates, a tiny cloud was forming on the
horizon which would increase in size and blot out
Milton’s rainbow. The American Tobacco Company was
organized in 1889, and the means by which it speedily
gained control of the tobacco industry have been related
in such detail by Miss Tilley that they need no
repetition here. The independent manufacturers of the
commodity soon succumbed to the ruthless onslaught of the
giant corporation, and one by one the factories in
Milton, as almost everywhere else, were forced to close
their doors. With the elimination of these buyers, the
town’s tobacco market could no longer operate
profitably and the warehouses were forced out of
business. The king was dead and no crown prince had been
reared to occupy the throne.
This economic disaster did not take place overnight,
but when the ultimate outcome became clearly discernible
no effort was successful if indeed it was even made to
unite the town in the promotion of new commercial
enterprises. Instead, the dazed citizens ruefully watched
their population shrink to 419 in 1910 and then slide
steadily downward to the present figure of 235. Tobacco
was gone, and the general opinion was that nothing would
ever take its place. The county continued to grow the
weed, but it was sold in other markets and the profits
spent in other towns. Consequently, mercantile
establishments shrank in size and number while many
citizens, including most professional men, moved
elsewhere. Those who remained continued to watch in
bewilderment as the town declined from its former
importance to a small residential community. Caswell
County fared little better, for it failed to be warned by
Milton’s plight. Its farmers continued the
concentration on tobacco until the county income from its
sale dropped one year to $135,000 and agricultural agency
officials declared Caswell was sick of its own child,
tobacco.
Happily, the economic situation in the county has
improved somewhat, but Milton has changed very little.
Today its business section is composed of a few old
fashioned stores, a service station, and a post office.
The rambling wooden hotel rented by textile strikers from
Danville during the 1930s shortly thereafter burned to
the ground and became another memory of bygone days. A
few buildings from the affluent period remain and are
dispersed among more modern residences. The tracks of the
once vital railroad become a little more rusty with each
passing year, and though a paved highway runs into the
town over a toll-free bridge spanning the Dan, a
comparatively small amount of traffic flows over its hard
surface. Miltonians cherish
their more glamorous past but seem completely
apathetic to any possibility of future growth and
development. The town is not dead; it’s simply
standing still, a shadow of its former self.
In summary, Milton’s first major economic
setback was the failure to have either the North Carolina
Railroad or the Piedmont Railway routed through the town.
While railway transportation was in its infancy, had the
citizens built fewer tobacco warehouses and financed
their own connecting road, as they eventually did, much
of the diversified industry which the town had attracted
might have been retained and even enlarged. Competitive
transportation facilities would have been available
earlier which might have enabled Milton to enlarge its
tobacco market to such an extent that losing the support
of the independent manufacturers would not have wrecked
the market. In the second place, when the railroad was
finally in operation and business improving, the failure
to invest in textile manufacturing and other enterprises
by harnessing the water power of the Dan was a tragic
mistake. With rail facilities, abundant water power, and
population increasing, Milton might have been the home of
one of the large tobacco factories which were built in
Reidsville and elsewhere and a site of cotton mills which
might rival those which have made Danville famous. Who
knows?
Lastly, and hardest of all to believe or understand,
is the spirit of hopelessness that apparently prevailed
after king tobacco died. The town was severely crippled
but not mortally wounded, but ideas and plans to promote
new enterprises and subsequent growth either were not
forthcoming or they failed to mature. However, the
citizens should not be judged too harshly for their
lethargy. They had hitched their wagon to a star and
though it zigzagged back and forth they faithfully clung
to it until finally it fell.
Then they could conceive of no substitute for their
fallen idol and they remained bewildered by their altered
circumstances. Traces of this attitude are still
discernible today, but there is also evident a note of
pride among the citizens in the fact that their town did
survive its tribulations. Possibly someday innovations
will develop and Milton will again rise in importance,
although it seems most unlikely that tobacco will be the
cause of this revival. Thank you. [Applause] [Pause]
John Ellen:
Professor Stokes will entertain questions if you have
any, so I throw the floor open to questions.
Durwood T. Stokes:
I thought he said submit to questions but I guess
it’s the same thing. Anybody have a question,
I’ll try. I guess you’re back there. I
can’t see anybody. [Laughter] Yes, sir?
Questioner One:
I thought he said submit to questions but I guess
it’s the same thing. Anybody have a question,
I’ll try. I guess you’re back there. I
can’t see anybody. [Laughter] Yes, sir?
Durwood T. Stokes:
Yes sir, they were, and this was the period when Evans
was trying in his newspaper to get them to take another
attitude. Of the hundreds of issues of that paper that he
must have published in half a century, only sixty-five
are still in existence and from that small amount we can
see so many statements he made along this line that if we
had the whole file it might have been a really
interesting effort which he made, but it was not heeded.
As long as things were good at hand they didn’t
seem to worry about what other folks were doing, not even
when Milton was bragging about its 2,000,000-pound-sale
in the same year Danville sold over 30,000,000. One
reason, I think--it’s a little difficult to
determine this exactly--is that the capital in Milton was
concentrated in a fairly small number of hands. They
owned the tobacco factories, they
owned large tobacco farms, and they were doing all
right for themselves for the time being so they just
didn’t worry about any other possibility. As they
will tell you there today, they put all their eggs in one
basket and then dropped the basket. I don’t know
whether that answers your question or not, but
that’s as close as I can come to it.
Questioner One:
Yes, sir, I think that does help, your idea about the
capital being in just a few folks’ hands
[1:10:11]
Durwood T. Stokes:
Well, in support of that, if you go to Milton today
there are some charming people there. I have some real
good friends in Milton. [In a] conversation with one they
make no reference at all to what their town might do.
It’s what their town did once upon a time.
That’s all they want to talk about, sort of like my
grandfather was about the Confederacy. He never finished
talking about that until he died, and they’re still
talking about Milton’s glorious past with the
tobacco market, tobacco industry. It’s difficult to
understand. I can’t say exactly why this attitude
is the one they had but it certainly was there and
it’s not completely dead yet. Yes, sir?
Questioner Two:
Is not that an attitude you find in a lot of small
country towns clear across the country [1:11:08] North
Carolina or South Carolina but all the across the country
you find that attitude in many small country towns.
Durwood T. Stokes:
Durwood Stokes: I think very likely so. Let me explain
my part on this program there, in case anybody
doesn’t understand it. A mention was made in the
beginning about all the experts on tobacco history.
I’m not one of them. I’m not a tobacco
historian. I’m just supposed to be an expert on the
town of Milton because nobody else ever got interested
enough in it to, [Laughter] to be that, but I think
that’s true. Yes, I think we could cite examples
and maybe not pin it on tobacco. In some other places
it
might have been a cotton mill which got outmoded and
they wouldn’t turn it into rayon or something and
so you’ve got an empty factory there today.
There’s a great deal of puzzle too about just how
big Milton actually was one time. Tradition certainly
gives it--pretty substantial tradition too--over 1,500
inhabitants and a really substantial amount of
diversified industry there at one time. But I only based
my paper on just what I could actually substantiate, so I
don’t know, but I do know the population rose
several hundred from 1880 to 1890 and then it started
going downhill again.
Questioner Three:
Dr. Stokes, what year did you say that the Chronicle
started under Editor Evans?
Durwood Stokes:
I think I said 1840
Questioner Three:
Was he a native North Carolinian?
Durwood Stokes:
He was born in Norfolk County, Virginia, and moved to
this state when he was a young man. He worked for Dennis
Heartt in Hillsborough, the Hillsborough Recorder, and
the Raleigh Register, and two or three print shops to
learn the printing business. Then he went to Greensboro
when Swain died and he was a relative of Swain’s
widow and edited the Greensboro paper for some time and
then he went over to Milton and bought the Milton paper
and established it as the Chronicle. He was a newspaper
editor far above many of his day. He was a cousin of
William Sydney Porter, O. Henry. In fact, O. Henry wrote
one of his short stories that’s in the collection
of Voice of the City I believe, based on Evans’s
fictitious character, Jesse Holmes, the Fool-Killer and
he named it “The Fool-Killer.” This Holmes
was a character Evans invented who once a month would
write a letter to the editor and his business in life was
going around with a club hitting fools over the head and
he told
why. He stayed awful busy. [Laughter] Evans used this
way to bring out political criticism. In fact, he said
the Fool-Killer went to Raleigh once and went to see
Governor Holden, who jumped out the window when he saw
him coming.
Questioner Three:
Thank you.
Durwood Stokes:
Just one more thing, since you started me on Evans, he
died in the North Carolina Senate, a member of the
senate, and Caswell County might have sent him to that
august body profitably many years earlier than they did,
but they finally did and he was still working to improve
things for his county and went home for the weekend and
caught cold on the train, on the railroad, and died of
pneumonia from it. But he edited that paper just about
fifty years. [Laughs] If I can’t answer them I can
sidestep them anyway. [Laughter] Any other questions?
Speak out because I can’t see you.
Questioner Four:
What is the present day situation in Milton on
tobacco? Are they still raising it there in that
area?
Durwood Stokes:
Well they raise it in Caswell County, but not
particularly in Milton. Milton’s just a residential
town today. The mayor of the town lives in Milton and
runs an oil business in Yanceyville. [Laughter] Some of
them work in Danville, teach in the county schools; that
kind of thing. It’s a beautiful place and work has
been done for historic preservation there for the few
remaining old buildings that are left, which show that it
was very affluent at one time. It’s just a pleasant
little residential town that’s bypassed by most
civilization. You know when Bob Scott had never been
there until 1971 it’s not on the main line of
traffic at all. [Laughter] I think I saw a hand over--.
Just speak out. I can’t see you.
Questioner Five:
Were there any attempts by Danville businesses to
found branch offices in Milton after the Civil War?
Durwood Stokes:
Yes, but it did not amount to much until this railroad
was acquired there. The whole thing that was holding
Milton up was it was not in on the competitive
transportation, but it could have been. The only way they
ever got on it was to build a railroad and pay for it
themselves, and had they done it thirty years earlier the
picture might have been very different, but they were
making money on tobacco and they just kept sitting and
waiting for something to happen. It was only when they
got desperate that they raised the money to build the
railroad to connect to the main line.
Questioner Five:
I had thought there was some evidence that Sutherland,
of the railroad fame, had opened a number of stores
there, and finance companies and insurance companies?
Durwood Stokes:
Oh, he did along in the period when it was reviving
after they got the narrow gauge railroad. He’s the
one that furnished the principal enthusiasm and good deal
of capital for that road, did a great deal for Milton,
but they simply did not take advantage of the opportunity
sufficiently. At the time Sutherland was working with
Milton, Milton had ample opportunity to revive to a
greater extent than it had ever been before, all this
water power there, its tobacco business all right, but it
could have diversified its industry and become quite
important, but they simply took no interest in it, and
about that time Evans died and he was the chief prodder
of the conscience of the
people, I think and he couldn’t move them beyond
a certain point. Was there another hand over here?
Yes?
Questioner Six:
Was there any kind of description of religious
antagonism to tobacco or any rumor of a health
menace?
Durwood Stokes:
Not that I ever heard of, not in Milton.
Questioner Six:
Or in the community?
Durwood Stokes:
I don’t think there is even yet. [Laughter]
Because they still think tobacco is the golden weed in
more ways than one. They’re broad minded about it
though. They’ll admit Milton played a long shot and
lost. They don’t seem to be bitter about it, and
not interested in doing anything else about it either.
[Laughter] It’s not dead, it’s just asleep,
and they don’t seem to want to wake up. But
it’s a nice, pleasant residential community, a nice
place to retire to. It’s peaceful and quiet. I
never found but one place more quiet and that was down at
Hatteras one summer. [Laughter] Before they built a road.
I don’t think there was any antagonism of that kind
at all.
Questioner Seven:
Dr. Stokes.
Durwood Stokes:
Yes?
Questioner Seven:
I get the impression that what you’re saying is
that tobacco as a good cash crop was somehow at fault
here. Weren’t the people really victims of
circumstances beyond their control: the American Tobacco
Company, the Civil War, the railroad, and that sort of
thing?
Durwood Stokes:
Well they were in some ways but if they’d had
sufficient diversification they might have survived
industrially.
Questioner Seven:
[If it hadn’t brought] quite so good a price
they might be better off today, is what you’re
saying.
Durwood Stokes:
[Laughs] Well as to that, I don’t know. But
other cities, towns, lost their independent tobacco
manufacturers and still were able to maintain their
markets. They had other things to fall back on. Milton
simply got to the point where its population
couldn’t survive. When 300 out of 700-odd people in
ten years move away from a town, it’s pretty
significant if there’s not much being down there to
provide employment or develop anything, and that’s
what they did. I think the trouble is not that they
couldn’t do well with tobacco. They did too well
with it and they didn’t want to do anything
else.
John Ellen:
Thank you. We’ll have a short break for a coffee
break and reconvene about 11:15 for the second paper.
Thank you.
END OF RECORDING
Transcriber: Deborah Mitchum
Date: October 8, 2010