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        <p>THE REBEL MAGAZINE<lb /><lb />VOL. VIII WINTER 1965 NUMBER 2<lb /><lb />CONRAD AIKEN INTERVIEW 3<lb />ANNE W. NELSON The Swings 13<lb />WALTER BLACKSTOCK Lines For My DaughterTs Seventeenth Year 19<lb />LYN PALADINO May 14, 1942 20<lb />DWIGHT W. PEARCE Con Mil Flores 22<lb />PETER F. NEUMEYER Seventh Anniversary 23<lb />GEORGE BIRELINE Paintings 24<lb />JAMES FORSYTH Notes on E. E. Cummings 29<lb />LYN PALADINO A Passing Grade For Brecht 41<lb /><lb />Editor, Thomas Blakeslee Speight<lb />Associate Editor, Dwight W. Pearce<lb />Copy Editor, Ann Regan Barbee<lb /><lb />Book Review Editor, Bob Malone<lb />Business Manager, Jan Sellers Coward<lb /><lb />Typists, Ida Andrews, Marita Rosental<lb /><lb />Published three times a year at East Carolina College, Box 2486, Greenville,<lb /><lb />North Carolina. Subscriptions, $2.75 or $1.00 single issues.<lb /><lb /></p>
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        <p>e<lb /><lb />228 and 230 Oglethorpe Avenue<lb /><lb />Books by Conrad Aiken<lb /><lb />POETRY<lb /><lb />The Charnel Rose<lb /><lb />The Jig of Forslin<lb /><lb />The House of Dust<lb /><lb />Preludes for Memnon - 1931<lb /><lb />The Coming Forth by Day<lb />of Osiris Jones - 1931<lb /><lb />Senlin: A Biography<lb />Landscape West of Eden - 1935<lb />Time in the Rock - 1936<lb /><lb />The Soldier - 1944<lb /><lb />Collected Poems - 1953<lb /><lb />A Letter from Li Po - 1955<lb />Selected Poems - 1961<lb />Limericks - 1964<lb /><lb />CRITICISM<lb />Scepticisms - 1919<lb />A ReviewerTs ABC - 1958<lb /><lb />NOVELS<lb /><lb />Blue Voyage - 1928<lb />Great Circle<lb />Ushant - 1952<lb /><lb />SHORT STORIES<lb /><lb />Bring! Bring! - 1925<lb />Costumes by Eros - 1928<lb />Collected Short Stories - 1960<lb /></p>
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        <p>CONRAD AIKEN<lb /><lb />INTERVIEW<lb /><lb />The interview was held in AikenTs Savannah house on a warm, grey day in December<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: The latest thing I have seen either<lb />on you or by you was the article you wrote for the<lb />Atlantic Monthly, oPoetry and the Mind of Mod-<lb />ern Man.�<lb /><lb />AIKEN: That was originally done for the Voice of<lb />America and was part of a series organized by<lb />Howard Nemerov"he was the controller, and<lb />planned it"it was a very peculiar list. ItTs coming<lb />out published by Basic Books this year sometime.<lb />INTERVIEWER: Then this was just your portion of<lb />i<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Yes, I was the lead-off man. And we were<lb />supposed to discuss our own work in relation to<lb />the times, and quote from our own stuff if we<lb />wanted to, or not. ITm told that one of the twenty<lb />quoted so much of his own work that it practically<lb />amounts to an anthology, and created quite a<lb />problem for the publisher, because it went so much<lb />over the limits. I wonTt mention his name; itTll<lb />come to light soon.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: ThereTs a particular section in the<lb /><lb />Atlantic article that ITm intrigued with, the section<lb />in which you were talking about"well, you didnTt<lb />call it the evolution of consciousness"the experi-<lb />ence, the childTs, of seeing a wasp sting a...<lb />AIKEN: Locust.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: And then you said that although<lb />he perhaps was not conscious of it at the time, the<lb />experience was part of his becoming aware of<lb />himself in the universe, so to speak.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: In other words, the joining together of<lb />all experience. The items in the events of oneTs<lb />life brought into relationship.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: Yes. And I wondered if youTd like<lb />to say something about your use of this totality of<lb />experience, particularly in your later poems.<lb />AIKEN: Well, I think itTs in all of them. Senlin,<lb />for example, is an attempt at a sort of whole total-<lb />ity of individual experience. That is, putting it<lb />into a frame, if you like. And so is Osiris Jones,<lb />so is Landscape West of Eden, and I think itTs ev-<lb />erywhere there. And I think maybe one of the<lb /><lb />3<lb /></p>
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          <lb />causes for my unpopularity is the fact that I have<lb />always aimed at this kind of wholeness, not of the<lb />individual mind or the individual bit in the poem,<lb />but of the thing as an entirety. This I think is less<lb />being paid attention to by the young poets, and I<lb />think theyTre all going up the wrong tree, with<lb />some exceptions.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: You mentioned your unpopularity.<lb />ITve been very much interested in that in relation<lb />to you. I donTt know whether it bothers anyone<lb />else, but the fact is, it gets to be almost a fad, in<lb />literature, to call you unpopular.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Did you see the review of Lord Zero by<lb />James Dickey? It was in Poetry Magazine about<lb />a year and a half ago. In which he referred to me<lb />as an unfashionable, historic personage whom no-<lb />body read. This made me so mad that I replied,<lb />and really had fun replying. The editor of Poetry<lb />didnTt want to print this letter and said why not<lb />just send it to Dickey. And I said no no, this is a<lb />little damaging"to call me dead before I am"an<lb />unfashionable, historic personage whom nobody<lb />reads. And it just happened that that day ITd got<lb />the royalty statements from Oxford Press, with<lb />very nearly a thousand dollars for a half yearTs<lb />royalties for the books. So ITm not that unpopular,<lb />and I mentioned this in my letter to Poetry Maga-<lb />zine. And had a dozen-odd letters from people<lb />like"oh whoTs the father of analytical criticism"<lb />oh heavens, I canTt think of his name. He lives in<lb />New Jersey. ITll think of it presently.<lb />INTERVIEWER: I have read again and again from<lb />people who say that if you are unpopular, it is be-<lb />cause you have made your choice, kept to your<lb />work as you saw it, and have not been overly in-<lb />fluenced by fads or fashions.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: I think thatTs true. And of course weTve<lb />had half a dozen fashions since Eliot and myself<lb />started out on this in the late teens and twenties<lb />which had to be fought against, and then the social<lb />consciousness of the thirties, and I donTt know<lb />what youTd say about the forties. But now, of<lb />course, these generations are getting faster and<lb />faster and more and more splinterized, it seems<lb />to me. With some exceptions. ThereTs a very good<lb />poet just being published by the Oxford Press<lb />named Fineman, whoTs I think the most exciting<lb />young thing to come along in a long time. HeTs a<lb />real metaphysical poet, and as subtle in his way as<lb />Stevens.<lb /><lb />Of course, thereTs a lot in this. If you donTt go<lb />along with the gangs and stay by yourself, you<lb />make it that much harder, and of course ITve<lb />never read or spoken. I canTt do it. I tried three<lb /><lb />times, always with disastrous results. Nobody<lb />could hear me"this was before mikes were in-<lb />vented"and both the audience and I suffered much<lb />too much, so I just gave that up. And of course<lb />thatTs a great disadvantage against these other<lb />fellows who do go around. As I said in my letter<lb />to Dickey, the average poet nowadays is a combina-<lb />tion of travelling salesman and poet.<lb />INTERVIEWER: If I might interject here, do you<lb />think there is any advantage for the poet in his<lb />later compositions in being able to do these public<lb />readings and get an immediate reaction to his<lb />work?<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Well, he certainly sells his work much<lb />more.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: After-the-fact criticism would not<lb />interplay"that possible exchange"could be of<lb />any value to him as a poet?<lb /><lb />AIKEN: I donTt think so. I would think the other<lb />way, probably.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: After-the-fact criticism would not<lb />be that significant to him then?<lb /><lb />AIKEN: No, I donTt think so. I think itTs a sop to<lb />vanity. Of course, there again, too, one should<lb />make exceptions. I mean, when you get a brav-<lb />ura performer like Dylan Thomas. He was a born<lb />showman in addition to being a damn good poet,<lb />and so it was only natural, I think, that that came<lb />easy and right for him. And I donTt doubt he got<lb />genuine pleasure out of it.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: While I was reading Scepticisms,<lb />I began wondering if poets have always been as<lb />self-conscious and as conscious of the nature of<lb />poetry as they seem to be now.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Do you mean the joining of the critical<lb />faculty to the creative? I think thatTs always gone<lb />on, you know? Ben Jonson was no mean critic in<lb />his offhand way; and Philip Sidney; and then<lb />when you come down to later times, Coleridge, of<lb />course, was an extraordinary combination; and I<lb />donTt doubt"well, Keats in his letters was obvious-<lb />ly a very fine critic; Leigh Hunt, though he was<lb />not a major figure, but still he combined both<lb />faculties; and Matthew Arnold. So I think this has<lb />always been present; some have exercised both<lb />talents and some not. Goethe, too, to jump the<lb />channel, a very highly conscious and scientific<lb />creature as well as being a great poet. I think<lb />this is something to be encouraged. We found it,<lb />of course, wonderful fun back in the teens and<lb />twenties and early thirties" a sort of battle royal<lb />went on.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: I remember in one particular essay<lb />that you wrote, you were describing what an<lb /><lb /></p>
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        <p>Imagist poet would feel first when he came upon<lb />MasterTs Spoon River Anthology"the giant, all-<lb />too-human footprint beside his dwarf Japanese<lb />garden. For all the sting in some of the things you<lb />had to say"and some of them very devastating, I<lb />would hate to have them said about me"it seems<lb />to me that there is a relieving sense of enjoyment.<lb />And this is not only in your work, but in some of<lb />the other criticism. It seems now that I pick up<lb />some of the things in PMLA and the poetry jour-<lb />nals and they all sound so...<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Yes. Solemn, solemn. We had real fun<lb />out of all this, although sometimes it got pretty<lb />close to murder. There was a terrible occasion<lb />when I reviewed Amy LowellTs biography of Keats<lb />for the Dial, and I donTt know whether you know<lb />this story, but anyway, I had just been up to<lb />London to see a specialist because I was suspected<lb />of having a fatal disease. Turned out not so, and<lb />I was going happily back to Rye on the train and<lb />got the evening paper and saw that Amy had<lb />died that day. And ITd just sent off my review of<lb />John Keats about ten days before, so I cabled at<lb />once to hold it up. That really was a murderous<lb />essay, and unhappily it had gone too far and<lb />Marianne Moore couldnTt stop it. It came out just<lb />about two days after AmyTs death, or very close to<lb />it. And a lot of people thought that this was my<lb />doing"that ITd caused the stroke.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: We have lately gotten a copy of a<lb />book called A Dial Miscellany. Your criticism of<lb />Eliot is there, and there are things by Eliot him-<lb />self, and by Marianne Moore, and by the whole<lb />group of you people who knew each other and as<lb />you said, were fighting. But there is an air of<lb />excitement about that book.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: I havenTt seen that. Was this just pub-<lb />lished ?<lb />INTERVIEWER:<lb />about a year.<lb />AIKEN: Published by the Dial Press, or who?<lb />INTERVIEWER: No, this was part of some doctoral<lb />work. But I wonder if you could give some little<lb />comparison with that time when the Dial was<lb />going on and now. For instance, the so-called New<lb />Criticism and what has grown out of it seems to<lb />me almost an attempt to make this very scientific.<lb />AIKEN: Yes. Kenneth Burke, by the way, was the<lb />critic I was trying to think of. He was sort of the<lb />Founding Father of this"in a way. I think<lb />theyTve just dug a hole, these critics; theyTve taken<lb />all the joy out of it. This minute examination of<lb />syntax and words and whatnot just goes the wrong<lb />way. A very bad example of it is Robert Penn<lb /><lb />I think itTs been published now<lb /><lb />WarrenTs long essay on The Ancient Mariner. Did<lb />you ever try to read that? ItTs pretty hard going,<lb />and at the end you really donTt know anything<lb />more than you started with.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: Presently, with these critics in a<lb />position of professionalism"meaning scientific, or<lb />whatever they call themselves, I seem to note that<lb />some of the younger poets are writing their poems<lb />in line with what has been set down as a priori re-<lb />quisite. This obviously was not the case when you<lb />were writing your Scepticisms, and your poems of<lb />that period, too. You had the community of care<lb />and interest between you and Miss Moore and<lb />Eliot and Stevens, of course. It seems to have been<lb />a more exciting and highly varied thing.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Well, it was a sort of friendly rivalry, all<lb />around. But occasionally no holds barred. I had<lb />an endless war with Louis Untermeyer, but we<lb />managed to be good friends through it all. I re-<lb />member when he came to visit me in South Yar-<lb />mouth. He sent a wire to his wife saying, oAll<lb />quiet along the Bass River.TT I should say, well,<lb />he hasnTt killed me yet. But that was important,<lb />too, to fight Louis Untermeyer, you see. I mean it<lb />was a duty, because his taste was so bad and his<lb />influence so enormous; this had to be kicked out.<lb />We didnTt succeed and he managed to outlast us,<lb />though I think the influence has now waned.<lb />INTERVIEWER: Have you seen Mr. UntermeyerTs<lb />latest anthology of American Poetry? ItTs the re-<lb />vised American-British, in two volumes.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Is this the one in which Wilbur and<lb />somebody else assisted? I saw the American part<lb />of that, yes.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: I wonder if you would like to com-<lb />ment on the poems of yours that he selected?<lb />AIKEN: I donTt remember what they were.<lb />INTERVIEWER: The best I can tell"also from his<lb />introduction to you"heTs almost wholly concen-<lb />trated on your earliest poems.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: ThatTs probably so. ITve been struggling<lb />for years to make people use the Preludes, and es-<lb />pecially Time in the Rock, which nobody will pay<lb />any attention to.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: I started thumbing through a few<lb />anthologies of American Poetry to see what poems<lb />of yours generally came into them, and was struck<lb />that the omorning songT from Senlin appears in<lb />practically every one.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: ~ThatTs everywhere, yes.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: It seems that your later poems<lb />havenTt been done justice in the anthologies.<lb />AIKEN: Very few of them have been used.<lb />INTERVIEWER: Would you care to speculate as to<lb /></p>
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        <p>why?<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Well, I think perhaps theyTre considered<lb />too long"I donTt know. But on the other hand,<lb />I had a letter from James Fitzsimmons"do you<lb />know who he is? HeTs starting a magazine to be<lb />published in Italy, and he paid me the compliment<lb />of saying he thought my reading of Blues for Ruby<lb />Matrix and Letter from Li Po"I donTt know<lb />whether youTve heard the record; itTs put out by<lb />the Caedmon gals"he says when he feels depres-<lb />sed or in need of a psychiatrist, he turns these on.<lb />That fixes him.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: I think we have heard it, in fact.<lb />A friend of ours has a collection of tapes, and I<lb />think we heard that.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Well, there are some of the earlier poems<lb />that have never been used and I think could have<lb />been. Like Electra, which is a rather complex<lb />little thing, about six or seven pages. But why<lb />it hasnTt been used in an anthology I cannot think,<lb />because I think itTs one of the best of the lot. And<lb />Psychomachia, another one which is also perhaps<lb />a little difficult, which Mr. Eliot published in the<lb />Criterion, thatTs never been even sniffed at. ItTs<lb />very curious. I think a lot of people when they<lb />read poetry donTt want to think, and these poems<lb />are all aiming at a think, of one sort or another.<lb />INTERVIEWER: The anthology habit seems to be<lb />so much a part of the two schools ITve had any-<lb />thing to do with. ITve seen good students, or at<lb />least superficially good students, whose only con-<lb />cern with poetry is the handful of things they<lb />find in an anthology.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: They donTt go any further. Yes, I sup-<lb />pose that happens.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: What has happened to the little<lb />magazine, anyway? I sort of got the impression<lb />that itTs gone out of style.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Which?<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: The little magazine. I mean...<lb />AIKEN: The little magazines in general? Well,<lb />there are too many of them, thatTs the trouble. So<lb />if they could only concentrate all of them in one,<lb />we might have something; though I think the<lb />Carleton Miscellany, for example, is awfully good.<lb />ThatTs the one I like best. ThatTs fun; they have<lb />a sense of humor, Reed Whittemore in particular.<lb />INTERVIEWER: I had the impression that there<lb />were many before and fewer now, but...<lb /><lb />AIKEN: I think there are more now, because in the<lb />twenties, well, there was only the Dial, and others<lb />which only published two or three numbers. And<lb />not much else that I can think of. Well, the<lb />Criterion in England, of course.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: Well, where would you get a long<lb />poem published, aside from in a regular book?<lb />AIKEN: Nowadays? ItTs very difficult; practically<lb />impossible. I suppose the Yale Review might con-<lb />ceivably do it, or the Virginia Quarterly, but other-<lb />wise I canTt think of anything else. The old At-<lb />lantic might give you five pages, and did print<lb />a whole batch of Robert GravesT love poems about<lb />two years ago. But now itTs a tough racket, not<lb />only to get things published in periodicals, but to<lb />get a book published, for a young poet, unless he<lb />has some sort of entrée somewhere.<lb />INTERVIEWER: That which you just spoke of, the<lb />tough racket"do you feel that that is a peculiar<lb />situation at this mid-century period? ItTs been a<lb />tough racket all along.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Yes, itTs always been. It was a little easier<lb />in the twenties to get a book published. There<lb />was a period, you see, when Houghton-Mifflin had<lb />that series of little green paperback books of<lb />poetry which published Fletcher and the Imagists<lb />and others, such as H.D. And the publishers were<lb />a little more adventurous then"prepared to take<lb />a small loss on a book of poems if they could sell<lb />something else, you see. Nowadays theyTre too<lb />chinchy.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: Could it be that itTs a little more<lb />than the economics of the thing? From the critical<lb />point of view, poetry is not in its finest hour as<lb />far as prestige and its being read goes.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: I donTt know, I wouldnTt say that. I think<lb />the prestige of poetry is very high in public esteem<lb />right now, perhaps higher than ever. After all,<lb />if you can sell a poet like Stevens, youTre doing all<lb />right; and Marianne Moore, too. No, I think itTs<lb />a wonderful time for poetry, and I really feel that<lb />something is going to boil up out of it. And in<lb />answer to your question about whether poetry<lb />could resume something like the Elizabethan<lb />spread, I think itTs perfectly possible that this<lb />could happen in the next fifty years. All it needs<lb />is the right genius to come along and let fly. And<lb />old Masefield, I was pleased to see the other day<lb />celebrating his ninetieth birthday, I think, said<lb />that there are still lots of good tales to retell. I<lb />thought that was very nice, and itTs true.<lb />INTERVIEWER: I remember in the Atlantic article<lb />you said that there were signs that a new age in<lb />poetry might come about. This is a little obvious,<lb />perhaps, but I was going to ask what signs you<lb />had in mind.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Well, merely the proliferation of poetry<lb />all over the country, in all sorts of little groups and<lb />whatnot. As I say, I donTt much care for groups<lb /></p>
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        <p>like that, when they get a little self-conscious like<lb />the Olson group and whatever, and the Lowell, I<lb />think, is a bad thing too. This cult of the auto-<lb />biographical which heTs encouraging is the sort<lb />of thing I donTt think too much of. But apart from<lb />that, just the amount of activity in poetry is heal-<lb />thy, and itTs gone right across the country. In my<lb />youth, it was only the eastern seaboard, you see,<lb />with Chicago as a kind of oasis there"Mr. Lind-<lb />say and Mr. Sandburg quarreling for it.<lb />INTERVIEWER: With this idea of activity, when<lb />you and Mr. Eliot were at Harvard, from differ-<lb />ent parts of the country, were there any energies<lb />or little sparks put under you, so to speak, by San-<lb />tayana and some of the others?<lb />AIKEN: Oh yes, of course. We had a wonderful<lb />array of teachers at Harvard at that time: San-<lb />tayana, Dean Briggs, and Nielson, and of course<lb />the famous Copey, whom I didnTt think very much<lb />of"a vain little man. But all the others liked him.<lb />It was a wonderfully lively time to be there, and<lb />the very end of it too, because all those first-rate<lb />men disappeared in the next five or six years after<lb />we left. Santayana, I think, had the most in-<lb />fluence on me. Eliot now denies that he was in-<lb />fluenced by Santayana. A fellow named Robert<lb />Wilbur is doing a book on precisely that"the in-<lb />fluence of Santayana on Stevens, Eliot, and my-<lb />self.<lb />INTERVIEWER: If I may pursue this a little fur-<lb />ther, I remember that in one of your articles or<lb />books you said that you went to England because<lb />you felt you had some roots there, and so you went,<lb />so to speak, in search of your tradition. Did any<lb />of that start at Harvard?<lb />AIKEN: No, while I was still at school I already<lb />had this sort of fixed notion about England. In<lb />fact, it goes right back to the house next door<lb />where I grew up, 228 Oglethorpe Avenue. ThatTs<lb />where I read Tom BrownTs School Days, with that<lb />famous little epigraph which I quote in Ushant:<lb />I am the Poet of White Horse Vale, sir,<lb />With liberal notions under my cap.<lb />And so I, from the age of ten or eleven, already<lb />had a bead on England, and I was only just wait-<lb />ing until I got there, that was all. I began going<lb />there as an undergraduate, for the holidays, and<lb />fell in love with it, especially with the Lake Dis-<lb />trict, Wordsworth country; and still am, as far<lb />as thatTs concerned, though I finally found I had<lb />to reverse the process and come back here to re-<lb />immerse.<lb />INTERVIEWER: Then would it be right to say that<lb />this period gave you the opportunity of standing<lb /><lb />outside your early experiences and getting some<lb />point of view to come back to in your poetry?<lb />AIKEN: Well, there as in the Voice of America<lb />piece, I find it very hard to say at what point"I<lb />suppose this thing was jelling all the time, and<lb />probably shows itself in the work, which gets a<lb />little more American all the time, although I donTt<lb />think itTs specifically American. Poetry shouldnTt<lb />be specifically of any...<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: ITd just like to interject here:<lb />When I read aloud that first four or five pages of<lb />Ushant, the part with the waves and the rolling, I<lb />thought about Walt Whitman, and I was struck...<lb />I was wondering if you might like to comment on<lb />that passage.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Well, that was the first bit of Ushant<lb />that I wrote, and I wrote it a long time before I<lb />finished the book, and just kept it as a nugget<lb />from which to start when I got around to it. It<lb />was in 1933 that I wrote it, and I didnTt then<lb />write the book itself until 1951. I had the idea and<lb />a lot of notes, but that passage was just, as it were,<lb />to set the key for the book.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: The prose in that passage seems<lb />to border on poetry in some places, and the effect<lb />of reading it is just like a poem.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Yes. Well, I think of Ushant as a poem,<lb />and it has a symphonic structure.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: In Scepticisms, in the section on<lb />MasterTs poetry, you mentioned that his discur-<lb />siveness gave him a bent toward prose. How do<lb />you feel about that distinction between the prose<lb />sentiment and poetry? Maybe thatTs not clear.<lb />AIKEN: I donTt quite... I donTt think thereTs any<lb />sharp dividing line between the two. One can run<lb />over into the other, and God knows poetry can<lb />slip completely enough into prose.<lb />INTERVIEWER: I was going to say I enjoyed the<lb />humor in both Ushant and Blue Voyage.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Yes, I think they are fun; they were<lb />meant to be, anyway. I had a very curious exper-<lb />ience with Blue Voyage. I was trying to sell it,<lb />way back in the twenties, and one day Max, the<lb />famous Max Perkins, rang me up from South<lb />Station in Boston"I was in Cambridge"and said<lb />he was very much interested in Blue Voyage, but<lb />he thought it was too short. And I said, ~Well,<lb />everybody else seems to think itTs too long, and in<lb />particular they object to the final chapter, a series<lb />of letters describing, amongst other things, a trip<lb />down BuzzardTs Bay in a whale ship.� And he<lb />said, oWhat whale ship?� And of course it turn-<lb />ed out that what he had was only the first four<lb />chapters of Blue Voyage, which had somehow got<lb /></p>
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        <p>detached at Brandt and BrandtTs, my agents, and<lb />had been circulating by itself, apart from the<lb />whole book.<lb /><lb />The next story about Blue Voyage was that Boni<lb />and Liveright was supposed to publish it"they<lb />published the first short stories, Bring! Bring!"<lb />and by contract I was bound to give them my next<lb />book, which was Blue Voyage. So it went to them,<lb />and they celebrated with a solemn board meeting.<lb />We all sat in a circle and had marvelous drinks"<lb />this was Prohibition time, of course. They had a<lb />bar ceiling high, and produced these wonderful<lb />drinks. But it turned out this was an inquest on<lb />Blue Voyage, and one editor after another, and<lb />then all the salesmen, got up and each said, oNo<lb />no, we couldnTt possibly publish this thing"itTs<lb />unreadable,� until finally it came to the editor-<lb />in-chief, and he said he just really hadnTt been<lb />able to get beyond the third page, and so would I<lb />please release them from the contract. And I said,<lb />oWell, obviously if you donTt want to publish it,<lb />it isnTt going to do me any good to let you publish<lb />it, so youTre free.� So he didnTt think it was funny.<lb />INTERVIEWER: Do publishers still operate that<lb />way now?<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Well, you never know what the publish-<lb />ers are up to. ITve been having the damnedest<lb />time with Holt, Rinehart, and Winston over my<lb />Limericks. They first were enthusiastic about do-<lb />ing the Limericks, and then they handed me over to<lb />a young editor who wanted to rewrite them en-<lb />tirely, and proceeded to do so, and just made a<lb />hash out of them. And I protested about this and<lb />the whole thing"the contract was about to be<lb />signed"and they withdrew it, because of this<lb />impasse. And Arthur Cohen, whoTs my friend,<lb />said, oWell, Conrad, we never really took this<lb />seriously, did we? So why donTt we just forget<lb />it?� And I replied, oDamn it all, I did take it<lb />seriously; I want to publish this book.� Well,<lb />then they fired this young man who was rewriting<lb />me, and everything was peaceful. But there was<lb />still some claim that there were irregularities in<lb />tone in the Limericks. So I said oWell, ITll just<lb />touch them up a bit,� though I didnTt at all; I just<lb />changed the order. I sent them back rearranged<lb />and they published the book, and now itTs sold<lb />eleven thousand copies and still going strong. And<lb />itTs had the distinction of having ads of it re-<lb />jected by both the New Yorker and the New York<lb />Times. ThatTs really something, I think. Each of<lb />these ads had quoted one of the more harmless<lb />limericks.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: As a reason for not running the<lb /><lb />ad?<lb /><lb />AIKEN: They were thought to be oin questionable<lb />taste.� When you think of the ads that do come<lb />out in the New York Times"The Sex Knowledge<lb />of the East, and other such things.<lb />INTERVIEWER: I donTt want to compound DickeyTs<lb />error in referring to you as a historical personage,<lb />but from your earliest volume of poetry right up<lb />until now and in Yeats, Stevens, and Eliot, and<lb />all of you people, there is a spectrum of experience<lb />in there. The modern preoccupation seems to be<lb />with somebody combing his daughterTs hair, and it<lb />doesnTt go beyond to include anything else.<lb />AIKEN: ThereTs no background to it; itTs isolated.<lb />ThereTs no feeling that thereTs a world out there,<lb />and that itTs complex and terrifying, and weTve<lb />got to impose order.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: What comes first to my mind is the<lb />omorning song� from Senlin, probably because<lb />itTs in all the anthologies. Robert Watson in Paper<lb />Horses had a long poem about selecting his tie,<lb />but Senlin ties his tie in a sunrise, and thereTs a<lb />bird outside and an earth under his feet. With the<lb />music of the poem, there is a sense of motion and<lb />completeness; itTs as though the whole earth is<lb />rolling when Senlin ties his tie.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Yes. Well, thatTs what itTs supposed to do.<lb />INTERVIEWER: If a poem takes me back through<lb />something"this is the thing which seems to be<lb />absent from poetry now.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Yes, itTs that... The robin sings in the<lb />chinaberry tree. This has always worried me be-<lb />cause robins"of course we see them in New Eng-<lb />land and they sing there, but they winter here and<lb />naturally donTt sing. But last year I discovered in<lb />one of these little nature columns that the robins<lb />love chinaberries and get drunk on them, and then<lb />sing. So itTs all right.<lb /><lb />Do you see the Times Literary Supplement"<lb />London? There was a very fine"if I do say so, be-<lb />cause itTs very flattering"leading article on me<lb />about a year and a half ago. In that thereTs a very<lb />interesting analysis of Senlin, and a comparison<lb />of it with Eliot, and noting the likenesses and the<lb />differences. ItTs by Kathleen Raine, actually. I<lb />think in many respects itTs the best thing ever<lb />written on the works as a whole, although she<lb />dismisses the novels and hates Ushant. She calls<lb />Ushant distasteful. SheTs some variety of mystic<lb />herself, and Catholic possibly, or some aspect of,<lb />and this upset her, I think. But sheTs awfully good<lb />on the poetry, and she makes a point that we sort<lb />of skittered around earlier, that this is poetic<lb />thinking of a sort that she says hasnTt been done<lb /></p>
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        <p>since Shelley, although ITm not particularly keen<lb />on having Percy Bysshe dragged into it. But still,<lb />I think sheTs got something when she talks about<lb />sustained poetic thinking, and she cites as exam-<lb />ples of that the first and last poems in my Selected<lb />Poems"it came out two years ago"and the first<lb />one is Palimpsest: The Deceitful Portrait, which is<lb />a section out of The House of. Dust, one of the early<lb />symphonies, and the last one is The Crystal, to Mr.<lb />Pythagoras. And in those I think you can see<lb />really what the whole scheme is going to be, and<lb />especially so of Palimpsest, because itTs a highly<lb />analytic piece, as of consciousness itself, and what<lb />constitutes it, at the same time turning it into a<lb />long metaphor.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: I had always thought of you as a<lb />poet, but in my junior year in college I stumbled<lb />on ashort story in an anthology called Silent Snow,<lb />Secret Snow and I saw your name, and it was only<lb />then that I realized you wrote very good prose.<lb />I wondered if you would like to say whether you<lb />consider yourself first a poet and them a prose<lb />writer, or are they both the same?<lb /><lb />AIKEN: I always did both"right from the begin-<lb />ning, even at Middlesex School for the school<lb />paper. I would have a short story in one number<lb />and a poem in the next, alternate, and at Harvard<lb />I made a point of alternating the two; I felt that<lb />going from one to the other refreshed the other<lb />medium, you see. So no, I think itTs all of a piece"<lb />they all add up to one thing.<lb /><lb />And incidentally, Silent Snow has been made<lb />into a remarkable short film, which I wouldnTt<lb />have thought possible, but this young man named<lb />Kearney wrote me a couple of years ago asking<lb />permission. We had some difficulties with him"<lb />he didnTt have a cent to back him and didnTt want<lb />to pay for an option, so we let it go without the<lb />option, and a long piece came out about him in<lb />the New York Tribune about three weeks ago<lb />which we happened to see, so I tracked him down<lb />in New York. He was listed in the phone book, but<lb />it turned out to be his grandmother, who said that<lb />she hadnTt seen him for years, in a quavering voice,<lb />and then gave me his own phone number and it<lb />turned out he was living only two blocks from us<lb />in New York. So I called him up and we went<lb />over the next morning and saw this picture in his<lb />own living room, and itTs simply beautiful, an ab-<lb />solute heart-breaker. He didnTt know that I was<lb />writing about an English town, so heTs put this<lb />into a little American village, or the outskirts of,<lb />and said he had a terrible time getting enough<lb />snow and thinks he may have to substitute some<lb /><lb />bits when heTs got another good snowfall this<lb />winter. But itTs a knockout"runs just under<lb />twenty minutes.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: I suppose Kearney hadnTt read<lb />Ushant; otherwise he wouldTve known about the<lb />English town.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: No, I guess he hadnTt. I donTt think heTs<lb />much of a reader; heTs got his eyes on movies and<lb />other things. In fact, heTs done a full-length<lb />comedy which is extremely good, too. HeTs mar-<lb />ried to a six-foot-five strip-tease beauty whoTs a<lb />graduate of Hunter College. We havenTt met her,<lb />but we hope to.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: What do you think of film generally<lb />as a form of artistic expression?<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Oh, wonderful. One of the great things.<lb />Yes, I became an addict when it was still called<lb />the nickelodian, when you paid five cents and went<lb />in and saw Buster Keaton and all the others, and<lb />ITve been an addict ever since.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: We arenTt tiring you, I hope. Or<lb />more to the point, boring you.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Would you care to... could we have a<lb />drink? ITll call to my wife. What would you like?<lb />We have martinis.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: (Talking about the Red Clay Read-<lb />er) ITm a little sorry that the presentation is so<lb />tricky, or whatever it is.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Yes, I think so. And ITm always a little<lb />sorry when this regionalism thing is pressed.<lb />INTERVIEWER: We talked about that on the way<lb />down"that was one question we were not going<lb />to tie around your neck"what you thought about<lb />southern writers.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: I think itTs about time the Confederate<lb />flag disappeared, yes.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: Your rooms are beautiful.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: These are lovely houses; there are two for<lb />sale next door, a bargain, too, but theyTre just<lb />shells. TheyTve got to be all fixed up inside as this<lb />was, too. They were just tearing them down when<lb />I got the Poetry Society here to invite Hy Sobiloff,<lb />the only millionare poet, to come down and read<lb />to the Poetry Society, and he was taken in hand<lb />and shown this house next door, the one that I<lb />grew up in, and what a pitiful state it was in.<lb />Pickaxes had already gone through the roof. And<lb />so he bought all four of them and fixed this one up<lb />for our use as long as we live, rent-free.<lb />INTERVIEWER: We walked along this particular<lb />row of houses several times when weTve been to<lb />Savannah; theyTre most intriguing. We were also<lb /></p>
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          <lb />wondering which hotel it was that you mention<lb />standing on top of in� Ushant.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: The DeSoto.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: ThatTs where weTre staying.<lb />AIKEN: My school was just next door"and we<lb />used to go up the fire escapes, but you can take<lb />the elevator and get out on the roof and you get a<lb />wonderful view, such as there is; itTs all flat, of<lb />course.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: Do you think psychologists can de-<lb />cide what is a poetic or creative personality? I<lb />think you dealt with this somewhat in a piece I<lb />read.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: What was this in, do you remember?<lb />INTERVIEWER: A Reviewer's ABC, I think the sec-<lb />ond or third piece in there; you were talking about<lb />Kostyleff.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Kostyleff"oh, yes. Well, ITve more or<lb />less moved away from that position. Of course<lb />the Freudians just give up. I donTt think they<lb />claim to know anything about the workings of a<lb />poet, except that itTs analogous to the dream<lb />mechanism"a directed dream.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: Do you feel you are directing your<lb />dreams as you write your poem?<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Well, you could call poetry a directed<lb />dream.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: In the Atlantic article, I think you<lb />said something to the effect that in your poetry<lb />there was a wedding of the subject and the versi-<lb />fication.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Yes. The subject finding its own form.<lb />INTERVIEWER: What has intrigued me in your<lb />poetry is this lyrical or musical probing as far as<lb />your subject matter is concerned.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Of course thereTs this musical thing; itTs<lb />been one of my handicaps, because I think Louis<lb />Untermeyer started the fashion, saying that my<lb />poems were just music, nothing else. This haunted<lb />me for forty years.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: Some people have noted in defend-<lb />ing free forms that traditional rhyme and meter<lb />donTt satisfy the needs of exploring and ordering<lb />the twentieth century world. Obviously you donTt<lb />agree. Would you care to elaborate on that?<lb />AIKEN: Just what?<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: Some free verse advocates main-<lb />tain that the traditional forms are not a satisfac-<lb />tory means of expression in the modern world.<lb />AIKEN: That is absolute nonsense.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: I said you obviously donTt agree<lb />with them.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: No.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: Would you care to elaborate?<lb /><lb />10<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Well, poetry is an art; why not use it?<lb />Anything else is to abandon it. Every resource<lb />of it should be used, and anything in twentieth<lb />century consciousness can be expressed in it. No,<lb />I think these boys and girls are just lazy, or else<lb />they havenTt the gift for it.<lb /><lb />Of course, Marianne Moore made a triumph out<lb />of her failure by using a purely numerical system.<lb />ITve just written a very short piece about her for<lb />that fesstschrift book thatTs coming out this year,<lb />in which I recounted how ITd made the discovery"<lb />for I think I was the first to discover the principle.<lb />Fletcher had given me a copy of the Egoist Press<lb />Selected Poems"1921 or 2 this was"and I was<lb />puzzled by these and went through them carefully.<lb />ITve still got the copy in which I noted the number<lb />of syllables in each line of the first three stanzas of<lb />each poem, and theyTre each exactly alike, using<lb />the same number of syllables and an occasional<lb />hyphen where she had to split a word"carry it<lb />over"and thatTs it. I suppose she found that she<lb />couldnTt use that extraordinary wit and knowledge<lb />in verse because she didnTt have the ability to<lb />swing it; and so substituted this other artifice"<lb />which is an artifice"for it. I daresay she wouldTve<lb />been happy if she couldTve really done it in very<lb />fine poetry ; but that she couldnTt I think is evident<lb />in her translation of Fontaine.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: You were among the first to bring<lb />out Emily Dickinson. You were the first editor,<lb />werenTt you?<lb />AIKEN: Yes, I got out the Selected Poems in Lon-<lb />don in 1924, and that really started it. Both Eliot<lb />and Pound were very much annoyed with me for<lb />bringing out Dickinson. They did their damnedest<lb />to stop me from doing it. I think they thought this<lb />was really cutting the ground from under their<lb />feet"I mean, to have a great poet looking over<lb />their shoulders suddenly"a little embarrassing.<lb />So they pooh-poohed it and said no, no, itTs just a<lb />little blue-stocking, a little country blue-stocking.<lb />INTERVIEWER: Oh to be a country blue-stocking.<lb />AIKEN: Yes. Yes, we were talking about Emily<lb />the other day and I remembered something that<lb />ITd noticed in the country. There are two lines of<lb />hers:<lb /><lb />Nature rarer uses yellow<lb /><lb />Than another hue<lb />but I added two lines to this:<lb /><lb />If she were alive Id tell her<lb /><lb />It just isnTt true.<lb />And to make it vulgarer still:<lb /><lb />Shit<lb /><lb />What of it.<lb /><lb /></p>
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        <p>How did she get that idea, that yellow was so un-<lb />common? Good God, I mean, you start out with<lb />dandelions, you go to buttercups, you have mari-<lb />golds and daffodils, goldenrod"the whole sum-<lb />mer is just one long sequence of yellows. ItTs very<lb />peculiar, though I suppose maybe that she was just<lb />kept in her fatherTs garden, and that was probably<lb />all violets.<lb /><lb />Oh yes, and going back to Eliot, I was going to<lb />put that business straight. Well, what really hap-<lb />pened was that Tom gave me the manuscript of<lb />Prufrock, rather reluctantly, too, because I donTt<lb />think he really had any idea of how good it was,<lb />and was rather shy about publishing the thing.<lb />So I took it over to London, where I met Pound"<lb />I had a letter of introduction to Ezra"and tried<lb />the poem on all the possible magazines, including<lb />Poetry and Drama, run by Harold Monro, and the<lb />English Review, which was then very good, edited<lb />by Austin Harrison, and anything else possible,<lb />but they all sent it back. Harold Monro, in fact,<lb />said he thought it was cuckoo, and really, he just<lb />thought it was crazy, and so I gave up. Well then<lb />I met Ezra and showed it to him, and of course<lb />Ezra liked it at once; and he then sent it to Har-<lb />riet Monroe for Poetry in Chicago. ThatTs how<lb />it happened.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: You were the impetus.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Yes. Oh yes. In fact I took it out of<lb />TomTs hands. I donTt think he really wanted to do<lb />anything with it. He now insists that I took out a<lb />whole page from the poem and that that improved<lb />it very much, but I think heTs wrong about this. I<lb />donTt think I did; I donTt remember it at all. I<lb />think heTs perhaps confusing this with what Ezra<lb />did to The Waste Land.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: I think ITll go ahead and confess<lb />something: I had read a couple of years ago in one<lb />of the ladiesT magazines that you and your wife<lb />were famous for your martinis.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: That seems to be a theory. We travel<lb />with them everywhere; we never could get into the<lb />car without a thermos full of martinis, and weTve<lb />got a whole string of graveyards on the eastern<lb />coast that we stop at and drink martinis.<lb />INTERVIEWER: We were also much interested that<lb />you served your martinis in silver goblets.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Yes, we travel with those too. I think<lb />they add to the ceremony.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: In fact, to be perfectly crass about<lb />it, we rushed out"could not afford it" and bought<lb />ourselves a set, nickel-plated.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Well, ours are only silver-plated. Three<lb />of them we got in England, and theyTre very<lb /><lb />pretty. One of them was a trophy for a half-<lb />mile race which some boy got in what I think is<lb />South Kensington School or some such. ITm think-<lb />ing of having one of the others engraved with my<lb />name on it for one mile in 1903, in 3:54.<lb />INTERVIEWER: We hear from time to time that<lb />after Stephen Spender, American poetry has<lb />more or less become English poetry.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Yes, ITve said that. I came up with that<lb />in 1944; I said that English poetry is now written<lb />in America.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: During your years over there, did<lb />you see any indications that some young English<lb />poets were beginning again to write?<lb /><lb />AIKEN: No. ItTs a very poor show. It still is, I<lb />think.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: What would you attribute that to?<lb />AIKEN: God knows; I donTt know. I think the war<lb />emaciated them, and I think the loss of the empire<lb />and all their position in the world is bound to be<lb />depressing, but I donTt think thatTs sufficient rea-<lb />son for it. ItTs probably an accident of some kind,<lb />because theyTre exposed to the same winds of doc-<lb />trine and whatever that we are, and theyTre on<lb />the whole better educated and more intelligent<lb />than we are, I think. So"give Tem time.<lb />INTERVIEWER: ITve recently met some people who<lb />said that in England there seemed to be a sense<lb />of the literary community; not strictly literary or<lb />strictly communal, but a certain community of<lb />interests; and something nicer than the same sort<lb />of thing in New York. Do you have any opinion<lb />on that?<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Well, I suppose itTs easier to get together<lb />in London than here. But of course the pub is a<lb />great institution"helps"but, I donTt know. I<lb />should think in New York itTs just as easy to have<lb />that sort of thing, if you want it. I stay out of<lb />literary things. I prefer to consort with the sort<lb />of lesser characters of the literary world"the<lb />young people.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: I think they meant that as young<lb />people themselves they had a chance there to see<lb />and talk with various writers, and meeting these<lb />people made London special for them in that way.<lb />AIKEN: Yes. Did they go to these arts council<lb />meetings and that sort of thing?<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: I think it was in part that and some<lb />letters of introduction that they had.<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Of course, letters of introduction make<lb />all the difference. The old Poetry Bookshop, of<lb />course, which finally folded in-1933, was a really<lb />wonderful institution. That was great fun, be-<lb />cause you could meet any of your coevals and<lb /><lb />x<lb />11<lb /><lb /></p>
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          <lb />wrangle.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: What do you think about these<lb />writersT conferences that people troop off to?<lb />AIKEN: Oh horrible. No, I think theyTre dreadful,<lb />and these colonies like the one at Peterborough,<lb />New Hampshire, McDowell Colony, and the oth-<lb />er one in New York, Yaddo, where you can get<lb />free room and board and whatnot, you see. Mal-<lb />colm Cowley, whoTs a very good friend of mine,<lb />is one of the directors of this thing; heTs been try-<lb />ing for fifteen years to get us to go there, and we<lb />just say no, although ITm told the roast beef is very<lb />good. No, I think thatTs deadly, that sort of thing.<lb />One writer by himself is bad enough, but if you<lb />get five in a room, itTs terrible. And I doubt if<lb />really anything good comes out of it. ItTs much<lb />better to just go and hire a room in a lodging<lb />house and sequester yourself there in the city, and<lb />just get lost. But at these places, youTve got a<lb />little sacred cabin out in the woods and have your<lb />own little lunch put at your doorstep at one PM,<lb />and are just supposed to sit there and produce like<lb />a hen in a hen factory.<lb /><lb />INTERVIEWER: This is going to sound very naive,<lb />but after I have done this, I want to come out with<lb />it in my hands and say, oSomebody listen.�T Have<lb />you ever had that feeling after you have been<lb />sequestered ?<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Oh yes, very much so. I want to try it on<lb /><lb />the dog somewhere in there. Yes, Houston Peter-<lb />son"do you know who he is? He wrote the first<lb />book about me way back in the thirties, not very<lb />good. HeTs a philosopher, and so it was more or<lb />less about the tendencies of thought in the twen-<lb />tieth century insofar as they showed themselves in<lb />my poetry. And he made the mistake of coming to<lb />supper with us just after ITd finished the Pytha-<lb />goras poem, The Crystal, and, having had a few<lb />martinis, I hauled off and read it to him and his<lb />wife after supper, at the table. He was furious.<lb />He loves to talk himself, so to be hung up like that<lb />seemed to him an outrage. All he could think to do<lb />was say, oYou know, I donTt think you should<lb />mention cocktails in that poem"a little out of key,<lb />donTt you think, Aiken?�<lb /><lb />"Well, I hope you get something"out of this.<lb />INTERVIEWER: I think we have personally been a<lb />great deal...<lb /><lb />AIKEN: Which reminds me of a wonderful remark<lb />that was made by a now-forgotten English poet,<lb />Wilfred Wilson Gibson. Do you remember him?<lb />Frost"it was when Frost was living in England"<lb />and he went on an expedition with Gibson and I<lb />think De la Mare and W. H. Davis, the tramp<lb />poet. They went to a sort of country fair and did<lb />various things, and at some point Gibson sidled up<lb />to Frost and said, oTell me Frost, are you getting<lb />anything out of this?�<lb /><lb />December 12, 1964<lb /><lb />PAT R. WILLIS<lb /><lb />B. TOLSON WILLIS<lb /><lb />SANFORD PEELE<lb /><lb />TOM SPEIGHT<lb /><lb />Savannah from the roof of the DeSoto<lb /><lb />12<lb /><lb /></p>
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        <p>THE SWINGS<lb /><lb />A SHORT STORY BY<lb /><lb />ANNE W. NELSON<lb /><lb />oLook,� he said, othe part I liked best was when<lb />she stood up on that barge and winked at him.<lb />You have got to see it.�<lb /><lb />And I said, oIt will make me nervous. Ever<lb />since I started writing that column for the paper<lb />that kind of thing bothers me.�<lb /><lb />oIt is just that terrible job you have,� he said.<lb />oIs.all,�<lb /><lb />oWell, they pay me by the word and that is more<lb />than I can say for anything else I have done.�<lb /><lb />oBut letTs go and if you get nervous we will<lb />leave.�<lb /><lb />oNo, I might not know if I get nervous,� I said,<lb />ountil afterwards. And then it will be too late. I<lb />would rather stay here.�<lb /><lb />oBut you have got to see it. It is every bit as<lb />good as the passage in The Waste Land.<lb /><lb />oThat is all right. I can read that at home.�<lb /><lb />oWhat you need to do,� he said, ois get out and<lb />live. And stop working so hard.� oYou are not<lb />getting any older, either,� I said.<lb /><lb />oWell, at least J have lived,� he said.<lb /><lb />So I opened a bureau drawer and said, ~Here.<lb />Read all of this crap.�<lb /><lb />He looked at all the papers and then read sever-<lb />al pages. I enjoyed thinking the revelation might<lb />make him a little less sure of himself. A little<lb />puzzled. Then he said that I must have been writ-<lb />ing it for a long time.<lb /><lb />oEver since I went to work for the newspaper,�<lb />I said.<lb /><lb />oReally?� he said.<lb /><lb />And I said, oReally.�<lb /><lb />He said that it was unbelievable. He did not say<lb />so though in his best stage voice, so I knew that<lb />he was genuinely surprised. I was glad I had<lb />waited to spring it on him until a time when we<lb />needed a change.<lb /><lb />Aloud, I wondered why he considered it so un-<lb />believable. I was trying to bait him a little.<lb /><lb />oI just absolutely never,� he said, othought of<lb />your doing anything.�<lb /><lb />13<lb /></p>
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          <lb />oYou mean to tell me,� I said, othat you slept<lb />with me all those times, and you thought that in<lb />between I more or less sat around knitting cob-<lb />webs or something?�<lb /><lb />I knew that this was, in fact, the approximation<lb />of how he had felt. I had known it for a long time.<lb />And though it was not what bothered me, I<lb />thought it might be good for him to think I was<lb />only just catching on now. I thought he might feel<lb />less miserable about how it had been if I needled<lb />him a little and then let the whole thing drop.<lb /><lb />oNot exactly ~cobwebsT,� he said. oJust kind of<lb />always there without any wheels turning.� He<lb />admired wheelessness in people.<lb /><lb />But I said, oUhhuh,� as if I didnTt get the point.<lb />I wanted to be convinced that he had been paying<lb />me a double-edged compliment.<lb /><lb />oWhat?� he said, trying to draw me out in the<lb />open.<lb /><lb />oOh nothing,� I said. And went in the bathroom<lb />and started reading the May 1964 issue of Nat-<lb />ional Geographic with all the good pictures of<lb />England in it. And the section on Wm. Shake-<lb />speare.<lb /><lb />He came to the bathroom door and said, intima-<lb />ting nasty affection, oYou might be good, but you<lb />will never be great.�<lb /><lb />We both knew that he was trying to get me<lb />back for having sprung the drawer full of writing<lb />on him. But we knew why I had done that, too.<lb />We knew, in fact, how all of it was. But playing<lb />with it a little made us feel better, more alive. It<lb />was all rather a way of choosing colours or sides<lb />in an elaborate game in which we never quite<lb />wanted to beat each other.<lb /><lb />I didnTt answer him for a few minutes.<lb /><lb />So he said, oBecause you donTt care enough.�<lb /><lb />I still didnTt answer him.<lb /><lb />oBecause you donTt care enough,� he repeated.<lb />oAre you going to write about us?� he wanted to<lb />know.<lb /><lb />oNot that I know of,� I said. And I wasnTt as<lb />far as I knew.<lb /><lb />oWhy not?� He tried to hide his surprise and<lb />anxiety with a feigned hurt that was not quite<lb />good enough to divert me.<lb /><lb />oBecause you could think I was not doing any-<lb />thing all those years,� I said. Now, I was at the<lb />place where I was beginning to believe what I was<lb />saying.<lb /><lb />oT donTt understand,� he lied.<lb /><lb />oOh yes, you do,� I said. o~YouTre plenty smart.<lb />You are not the typical reader. The circulation<lb />never even touches your numbers.�<lb /><lb />oWhat ~numbnessT?� he pretended to misunder-<lb /><lb />14<lb /><lb />stand.<lb /><lb />I could tell that he also had reached the stage<lb />where he was warming into belief.<lb /><lb />oNever mind,� I said. oYour ~numbnessT is ex-<lb />actly what I am talking about.�<lb /><lb />oOh, really ?� he said.<lb /><lb />oVYes,T�T<lb /><lb />It might be important about us to somebody<lb />someday,� he said.<lb /><lb />oWilliam Shakespeare,� I read aloud, onever<lb />had any grandchildren.�<lb /><lb />oAre you trying to start that business about im-<lb />mortality again?� he wanted to know.<lb /><lb />oNo,� I said, oI am not trying to start any-<lb />thing.� But I had known that was what he would<lb />think. That was why I had read the sentence in<lb />the first place. oI was reading it out of the book,�<lb />I said.<lb /><lb />oWhat in the hell damn book?� he said.<lb /><lb />oThe National Geographic in here,� I said.<lb /><lb />oHave you got a goddamned magazine in there?�<lb /><lb />oThere are several magazines in here. But that<lb />was the one on top.� I wanted him to think my end<lb />of the conversation had been at random, over the<lb />first magazine I had come to.<lb /><lb />oT have got to go now,� he said. oI will be back<lb />later.�<lb /><lb />I didnTt know whether to believe him or not. I<lb />had never known whether to believe what he said<lb />about when he was coming back. I just knew that<lb />he would sometime. It was like him to become sud-<lb />denly serious in a discussion, feel that he had lost,<lb />and leave quickly.<lb /><lb />oHow many books do you think you can write<lb />without writing about us?�<lb /><lb />oT have not counted them yet,� I said, pretend-<lb />ing to speak offhand.<lb /><lb />oT have to go do something important,� he said.<lb /><lb />I was quiet, letting him figure another line to<lb />leave on.<lb /><lb />oListen,� he said, oat first, I would have loved<lb />you if I could have.�<lb /><lb />oThat is all right,� I said. That was the only<lb />thing he had ever said that I was sure he believed.<lb /><lb />Then he went out saying the part from The<lb />Waste Land about the golden barge.<lb /><lb />Later that evening when he came back, we were<lb />very upset about each other. We didnTt want to be<lb />together, but we didnTt want not to be.<lb /><lb />oWe could take a walk,� he said. oJust go out<lb />and walk, the way we used to.�<lb /><lb />oT donTt know,� I said.<lb /><lb />oDown by the Presbyterian Church,� he said.<lb />oThe steeple will be lighted. And over in the park<lb />the swings will be swaying. And the steeple light-<lb /><lb /></p>
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        <p>ed beyond the treetops. We will know everything.<lb />And we will walk by the big houses with their<lb />soft lights. Like SwannTs Way,� he said. oWe can<lb />do it like that.�<lb /><lb />oYou look too much like somebody whose family<lb />sold land to send them to Harvard in 1910,� I said.<lb /><lb />oNo, if you have to look like something, I am<lb />glad it is something Southern,� I said.<lb /><lb />oTs it that bad?� he asked.<lb /><lb />The switch at the top of the stairs did not work,<lb />so he went down to turn on the light from below.<lb />While he was trying to find the switch down there,<lb />I started down in the dark. I was still not very<lb />happy about our going to walk. I didnTt want to<lb />have to get to the bottom and have to walk out with<lb />him. I wished we didnTt have to be together. So<lb />I stopped midway down and waited for him to find<lb />the switch. I wished I could stand there forever.<lb />Then somebody somewhere down the street turned<lb />on a radio. I could hear music outside coming<lb />across the yards.<lb /><lb />oCome on down in the dark,� he said. oI canTt<lb />find the switch.�<lb /><lb />He sounded irritable and strange. He sounded<lb />like a stranger. I couldnTt make myself go down.<lb />The music from the radio came faintly through<lb />the darkness. I knew he was angry because I had<lb />not answered nor gone down.<lb /><lb />I could see him standing in the moonlight that<lb />came in at the doorway. I could not think of any-<lb />thing and I did not know what to say. I wished I<lb />could say something so he would know. The music<lb />from the radio became sweeter. I hoped it would<lb />last a few moments longer. I could tell we were<lb />a million miles apart.<lb /><lb />Love Field last summer with the sun falling like<lb />sleet. The planes falling like sleety leaves, slowly<lb />and icy with light to the runway. Or millions and<lb />millions of chrysanthemums. Wet with the nights<lb />falling forever. And the knights in their silver<lb />armour standing stiffly in old story books. The<lb />nights falling like dew. And the years. And the<lb />chrysanthemums.<lb /><lb />The swings swayed. Over in the park the swings<lb />were swaying in the dark to the time that came<lb />from a distant radio.<lb /><lb />Once, a bird got in a chimney at home. We<lb />could not get it out. For several days we heard it<lb />there, now fluttering, and now quiet. A flurry of<lb />wings now like rain and yet again like sleet.<lb />Fixed. Lodged. Run like the colors of an ancient<lb />cloth. Mingled with the chrysanthemums. Quiet<lb />again and again. Dark and quiet like a stone. Like<lb />a cherry pit or peach kernel wedged in the throat.<lb /><lb />Not waiting to burst with bloom. And not wait-<lb />ing. Somehow eternal.<lb /><lb />I could see him standing still in the moonlight.<lb />I knew he was not really waiting for me to go<lb />down. For some reason, I could not bear it some-<lb />how for him. I could not bear it for either of us.<lb />I wanted to say something true. I wanted to say<lb />something better than we had been. The moon-<lb />light was falling like sleet and the music from the<lb />radio was gone. It had dimmed and disappeared.<lb />At least we did not have to die. We were young.<lb />We could breathe good. And our bones did not<lb />ache. We could walk a long way before our hearts<lb />stopped beating or a rock spurted like lava in our<lb />brains. Why then the world, dimmed and disap-<lb />peared? The moonlight like sleet. Here. And in<lb />Ireland. In Mississippi. And everywhere. The<lb />same story, always different.<lb /><lb />oGabriel,� I said. oITm sorry I was so rude to you<lb />at the Christmas party that time. After all, they<lb />were your relatives"�<lb /><lb />oT know,� he said. oI figured you were think-<lb />ing about something like that.�<lb /><lb />I could tell he had liked what I had said better<lb />than any of the other ways I could have broken<lb />the silence.<lb /><lb />oT tell you what,� I said, oif you still want to,<lb />letTs go down back of Old SwannTs Place.�<lb /><lb />oIf I could remember her name,� he said, oI'd<lb />leave you standing here and maybe go for a ride<lb />by myself or something.<lb /><lb />oGerta,� I said.<lb /><lb />oYes,� he said, oin a terra cotta coloured dress<lb />with a salmon pink panel.�<lb /><lb />When we were just outside town that evening,<lb />I suddenly knew that I should have stayed home.<lb />Sometimes riding in a car is not good. And there<lb />are places I would never go in a car if I could help<lb />it. The mist was rising from the river in white<lb />endless gulfs that looked like nameless masses of<lb />great flowers heaped at the feet of the townTs dark<lb />silhouette. The bridge that led into town was<lb />about three hundred yards long and curved slight-<lb />ly in the middle so that the old street lamps along<lb />both sides made it look like a double-exposure of a<lb />starry half moon in an undeveloped picture. I<lb />didnTt like the way it looked from the car. And I<lb />wished that I had either stayed home or walked. I<lb />would rather it to have been less beautiful. I want-<lb />ed to hear my feet on the concrete. And to reach<lb />out over the railing and pull a leaf off the tops<lb />of the trees that grew up from the river bank.<lb />I would have liked to have seen it all up close. Not<lb />like such a big thing.<lb /><lb />15<lb /><lb /></p>
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          <lb />Then, when we got to the house I did not want<lb />to go to bed. I did not want to just walk through<lb />a dark house and go to bed at ten oTclock at night.<lb />It seemed cold to quit consciousness so abruptly.<lb />I wished there were a cat to put out. Or a dress<lb />to iron. Or fire to stir. But there was nothing.<lb />Only the beautifulness of everything was there.<lb />I suppose that is why the Catholics do so much<lb />with the rosary. Counting it all is better maybe<lb />than leaving it in such numerous disarray. A<lb />rosarium was a garden. That was where they got<lb />the word. I liked thinking about that.<lb /><lb />There was a postcard from France during<lb />World War I somewhere in a book I had been read-<lb />ing that day. I wished I had read the message on<lb />the back of it. I wondered what people wrote to<lb />each other on postcards during World War I.<lb /><lb />oThe New Yorker wouldnTt touch it,� he said.<lb /><lb />oWhat are you talking about,� I replied, know-<lb />ing perfectly well what he was talking about.<lb /><lb />oWhatever you are thinking about us,� he said,<lb />ois not publishable, no matter how good it is.�<lb /><lb />oIT was not thinking about us,� I lied. oI was<lb />thinking about a hat, a bonnet.�<lb /><lb />oOh, God! In the middle of the night"a bonnet.<lb />God. ThatTs about us all right,� he said. oBullTs<lb />eye. About two yards off center.�<lb /><lb />oYou get funnier and funnier all the time,� I<lb />said. oFunnier and funnier.�<lb /><lb />I was still thinking about World War I, and it<lb />was not funny. But it was about us. I didnTt know<lb />how it had got to be about us, but it was. I began<lb />trying to think why thinking about World War I<lb />in the middle of the night felt so much like think-<lb />ing about us. Then I began thinking about the<lb />bonnet because it had slipped out of my mouth in<lb />the wake of the lie in such a way that the elaborate<lb />shape of credulity formed a great apparition-like<lb />question mark with streamers and exposed stitch-<lb />ing where the flowers"big roses, probably, pink,<lb />out of that stiff, slick material"had been ripped<lb />away. That worried me. I kept fishing around<lb />frantically trying to come up with a spray of flow-<lb />ers. I couldnTt remember enough about how roses<lb />on that kind of hat would have looked. Any flower<lb />would do, I decided. I could not go to sleep and<lb />leave the hat hanging there. But I couldnTt place<lb />the period of the hat, and it kept shimmering into<lb />shape just under my eye-lids. Somehow not being<lb />able to place it blocked the flowers. Not one flower<lb />I could remember. Just names. Rose. Daisy.<lb />Nothing. Echoes in a big black chamber. I wanted<lb />to get the hat straight because I was afraid he<lb />was going to ask me about it. I hoped heTd gone to<lb /><lb />16<lb /><lb />sleep. I knew heTd know I had been lying about<lb />it unless I hurried and saw it whole. What I really<lb />wanted to do was get back to World War I and<lb />France before I went to sleep. Something about<lb />that bothered me. I listened and could tell by the<lb />way he was breathing that he was not asleep.<lb />And I could tell that he was thinking about the hat<lb />and was on the brink of asking me about it. He al-<lb />most believed I had been telling the truth, I knew.<lb />With a good description of a hat I could convince<lb />him. Flowers. Flowers. oAnd soft perfume and<lb />sweet perfume...� But that was not the one"<lb />imagine the Thames blossomless, bathed in the<lb />scents of faceless flowers. I had to save it for an-<lb />other time. All I could get now was odeep pillowed<lb />in silk and scented down�. Deep pillowed. Deep<lb />pillowed. I couldnTt get to the part of the poem<lb />about flowers.<lb /><lb />He touched my arm. I felt strangely like a child<lb />restrained from meddling in some long-forbidden<lb />drawer or crevice. I wished he would let go. I had<lb />to open a mountain to look at some hats. Beautiful<lb />old hats. With flowers. I could hear them. But I<lb />couldnTt see them. I squinted my eyes. My mind<lb />puckered into sleep; I tried to open it. The blue<lb />velvet bag with the worn white places. Soft. Ever<lb />so richly worn white. The bag with my grand-<lb />motherTs diamond rings in it. I held it in my hand<lb />and opened it wide until I was looking at the dia-<lb />monds, and I was looking at my mind like dia-<lb />monds. Hard and bright and chiseled piecemeal<lb />from the depths of the ages. Fern upon fern was<lb />all that mattered. I liked knowing that.<lb /><lb />oListen,� he said and let go my arm.<lb /><lb />I lifted the lid of the hall rack at home. High<lb />up at the mountain the opening of a cave appeared.<lb />Man might easily have crept out of the sea just<lb />this way, I thought. Or out of a diamond. I liked<lb />all of it so much. But I had to find the flowers for<lb />the hat soon, or heTd know.<lb /><lb />oYou donTt have to cry,� he said. oDid you know<lb />you were crying or were you asleep? ItTs all<lb />right.�<lb /><lb />For a second I hated him for waking me. Or<lb />for being awake, I didnTt know which.<lb /><lb />oYou have tears on your face,� he said. oAt<lb />one time I would have said they reminded me of<lb />forsythia. When I was younger . . . I would have<lb />said that three or four years ago,� he teased.<lb /><lb />I hated him now because I knew I would never<lb />remember the flowers that belonged on the hat.<lb />There was the room blazing with moonlight and<lb />the bare, spindly, delicate forsythia branches as<lb />tender as shadows streaming through the window<lb /><lb /></p>
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        <p>and across the bed. Forsythia then. Everywhere.<lb />And I knew it would be impossible to get it out of<lb />the room the rest of the night.<lb /><lb />oT think you had a nightmare,� he was saying.<lb />oT really think you had a nightmare.�<lb /><lb />oT did not have a nightmare,� I said. And then<lb />I didnTt know that I was going to, but I said, oI<lb />was going to tell you about a bonnet.�<lb /><lb />oNot again,� he said. ~ooHoney, women donTt tell<lb />men about bonnets in the middle of the night. I<lb />want to go to sleep.�<lb /><lb />oThen why did you have to take my arm like<lb />that,� I said, oif you wanted to go to sleep? Why<lb />didnTt you leave me alone?�<lb /><lb />oI didnTt mean to bother you. It is just that you<lb />have such nice arms for taking.�<lb /><lb />oWell, you ruined it,� I said. I felt better now.<lb />I thought I wanted to hear him talk. And too, I<lb />wanted to aggravate him a little since he was so<lb />sleepy. I wanted to make him laugh. I donTt know<lb />why I wanted to make him laugh, but I did.<lb /><lb />oWith forsythia,TT I said. I thought about how<lb />good a milliner I would have made.<lb /><lb />oI donTt know what in hell you are talking<lb />about,� he said. oBut I can tell you that women<lb />no longer wear hats. If youTd look in HarperTs<lb />Bazaar or any of the fashion magazines, youTd<lb />know a little more about what is going on in the<lb />world today. In the line of hats and things. Jackie<lb />Kennedy never"�<lb /><lb />oJackie Kennedy never period,� I said. oShe<lb />had nothing to do with World War I. She has<lb />had enough.�<lb /><lb />oWorld War I what?�<lb /><lb />oJust World War I.�<lb /><lb />oWell, you canTt just lie in bed all night saying<lb />~World War IT. You have to have a reason for<lb />something like that,T he said.<lb /><lb />oI want to go home,� I said. I hadnTt known I<lb />was going to say that, but it sounded true so I let<lb />it stand.<lb /><lb />oYou donTt know what you are saying,� he said.<lb /><lb />oT donTt mind not knowing. I just want to go.�<lb /><lb />oNow there is no reason to get mad because I<lb />wanted to go to sleep,� he said.<lb /><lb />oIT am not mad because you wanted to go to<lb />sleep.T�T I wished he had gone to sleep.<lb /><lb />oIf you really want to go home, ITll take you,�<lb />he said.<lb /><lb />Now, I wanted to go more than I had ever want-<lb />ed to do anything. I felt out of place. I couldnTt<lb />understand what was wrong.<lb /><lb />oIf you are not mad,� he said, ojust please tell<lb />me why you want to leave.�<lb /><lb />I didnTt want to wake up in that room. I thought<lb />he was more like a stranger now than he must<lb />have been even before I ever knew him. Why did<lb />he have to say that about forsythia? Something<lb />about that had had seemed wrong. About no<lb />longer mentioning it. Like cutting the balloon<lb />loose after the gas had leaked out. Why did he<lb />have to say that?<lb /><lb />oForsythia is not the flower you mention to me<lb />when you have known me ten years and couldnTt<lb />mention it to start with,� I said.<lb /><lb />oYou can mention forsythia to anybody,� he<lb />said. oIt was just a nice way of saying that you<lb />had been ~weepingT in your sleep.�<lb /><lb />oYou might forsythia a little yourself, if you<lb />knew what I was forsythiaing about,� I said.<lb /><lb />oLook,� he said, oif something is wrong, I will<lb />straighten it out.�<lb /><lb />oNothing is wrong,� I said. oI just want to go<lb />home.� I felt tired of having to live with him in<lb />so many countries, in so many areas, under so<lb />many heartbreaks. I felt as if I had been with him<lb />a million years. oHid its face amid a crowd of<lb />stars� echoed in my mind. I had never felt that<lb />way before. I wanted to leave before it got me<lb />firmly in its clutches.<lb /><lb />oThis is a disappointment to me. A great dis-<lb />appointment. Sounds Victorian, doesnTt it?� he<lb />said.<lb /><lb />Why did he have to drag oVictorian� into it,<lb />of all things? But I wanted to know.<lb /><lb />oWhat kind of disappointment?�<lb /><lb />oT donTt know,� he said. oI just thought we were<lb />doing better. I thought we were finally becoming<lb />what we wanted each other to be. I really thought<lb />so."<lb /><lb />I didnTt want to get into anything more. I could<lb />tell that if we talked about it, I was going to get<lb />left again in some horrible hut at the edge of a<lb />jungle while he went on another black and restless<lb />safari. I didnTt want to do that anymore.<lb /><lb />oOh, I donTt know,� he said. oProbably the<lb />nearest we ever came to anything lasting was<lb />when we were first young and didnTt know what<lb />to do with any of it.�<lb /><lb />oT am still young,� I said. oBut this time I am<lb />going to start from the grass up.� I didnTt know<lb />what that meant, but it sounded like something I<lb />thought.<lb /><lb />oYou know what this means?� he said. oIf you<lb />really want to go, you know what it means, donTt<lb />you?� -<lb /><lb />I couldnTt answer him because I didnTt care<lb />whether it meant anything. I just hoped I could<lb /><lb />sé<lb /><lb /></p>
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        <p>LINES FOR MY DAUGHTERTS<lb />SEVENTEENTH YEAR<lb /><lb />Suddenly beholding myself reflected totally, lovingly,<lb />In the twin mirrors of her larkspur-eyes<lb /><lb />(The ME MYSELF"sans every worldly stage<lb /><lb />On which a Hamlet ever nurtured his cicatrice of soul;<lb />Or a Punchinello, clowning in peppermint,<lb /><lb />Ever played Liar with the laughter of tears) ,"<lb /><lb />Seeing FOREVER miracled in her marigold-morning gaze,<lb /><lb />I, for a moment at least, share<lb /><lb />With Dante and Blake and Emily"and Cambrian Dylan, on fire for the Infinite"<lb /><lb />An intranslatably real vision of yew and heather .. . heavenly roses .. . skies bluer than God.<lb /><lb />WALTER BLACKSTOCK<lb /><lb />19<lb /><lb /></p>
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          <lb />Lieutenant Cunningham turns to the youthful past<lb />Turns to the cottage<lb /><lb />And the blackbird suspended on Maytime sky<lb /><lb />And the belling of hounds<lb /><lb />And the pealing from steeples<lb /><lb />And the wind on the heath.<lb /><lb />The urgent piping of the bosun call,<lb />Shriller than the liquid notes of the spring peeper,<lb />Teases thought, intruding on home and dream.<lb /><lb />Dying a strident death,<lb /><lb />The bosun pipe flutes its final<lb /><lb />Mournful wail: ominous silence.<lb /><lb />Black night cracks a second time<lb /><lb />As the persistent sonority of klaxon<lb />Hastens sailors to battle station.<lb /><lb />Alerted, blind eyes scan surface quadrants:<lb />Ship-to-horizon: 000 to 090 degrees<lb /><lb />For full cycle to begin cyclic scan anew.<lb />Behind dormant yet insatiable pom-poms<lb />Taunt fingers tighten inside trigger guards<lb />Awaiting that dread command before the night sky<lb />Is split by flaming seed like the farmer<lb /><lb />In parabolic tracery feeding furrows.<lb />Half-blind eyes search heaven.<lb /><lb />Submerged stern drags sinking bow,<lb /><lb />And the nameplate... H.M.S. Bedfordshire . . . vanishes.<lb />The ocean is empty.<lb /><lb />Across the ocean worn dreams<lb /><lb />And faded memories gown the still countryside<lb /><lb />On that precious stone set in the silver sea.<lb /><lb />LYN PALADINO<lb /><lb />21<lb /></p>
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          <lb />CON MIL FLORES<lb /><lb />+<lb /><lb />Yes, I have supped,<lb /><lb />I drank the wine of your breasts<lb />grown too humanly warm against my lips,<lb />knew the warm delicacy<lb /><lb />of your hand resting softly on mine<lb />when mind and logic<lb /><lb />were thrust aside in a winter night,<lb />when the being of you and I<lb /><lb />made no little difference.<lb /><lb />We were as the wind blows together<lb />a little spring"a little winter<lb /><lb />joined to warm snow-quilts<lb /><lb />we lived under.<lb /><lb />Though you have gone<lb /><lb />I still find the spring and winter<lb />joined,<lb /><lb />a warmth that feels through<lb /><lb />a long winter of knowing,<lb /><lb />knowing what we had,<lb /><lb />what we could never have had,<lb /><lb />and sensing some yesterday pain $<lb />I dream of yesterdays in today,<lb /><lb />say softly with love,<lb /><lb />I have loved<lb /><lb />with a thousand flowers.<lb /><lb />DWIGHT W. PEARCE<lb /><lb />22<lb /></p>
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        <p>SEVENTH ANNIVERSARY<lb /><lb />As gray stripes echoed silver on a sudden day<lb /><lb />To sing on Easter, birth, re-birth in every way,<lb /><lb />So silver gray has burst or bowed over seven years<lb /><lb />of cliffs, of sea, seen at a melting time,<lb /><lb />of pond knifed over with the cutting skate<lb /><lb />when hush hung vaulted over snowy trees,<lb /><lb />And that same color burst from stream when steelhead leaped<lb />arched silver"shooting out and back<lb /><lb />A knife, a leaf, a silver lightning from the brackish brown,<lb />Were soft hued willows leaned in eddies<lb /><lb />and in bays the rain pocked water filed from mouse holed banks.<lb /><lb />And that same color in the sky the day a cormorant resting on the rock<lb /><lb />rose weakly, battered, but he rose,<lb /><lb />wind sifting through his oil-soaked wings, and sloped away<lb />into a silent sky, and gray,<lb /><lb />And that same color once before and now<lb /><lb />When birth is near, has touched your hair,<lb /><lb />Has echoed dress and eyes and cliffs and fish and birds,<lb />And into silence, each time, whispered shimmering news<lb />of birth, re-echoing birth throughout our lives,<lb /><lb />And marking love in shimmers of a silver gray.<lb /><lb />PETER F. NEUMEYER<lb /><lb />23<lb /></p>
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        <p>NOTES ON<lb />E. E. CUMMINGS<lb /><lb />JAMES FORSYTH<lb /><lb />In this essay of E. E. Cummings, I have not tried to point out any theme"if there<lb />is anything which recurs often enough in his poetry to be called a theme, it is love. All I<lb />have attempted to do is illustrate some of the basic devices used in his poetry, show a few<lb />of the things which interest me, and sum it up by printing a poem which gives some in-<lb />sight into the feelings of the poet.<lb /><lb />A person should remember that the basic purpose of most artistic endeavors is to en-<lb />tertain, and secondly to inform. Art is fun. While it should not be approached only from<lb />that angle, it helps to keep it in mind.<lb /><lb />Cummings is usually, and justifiably, known as somewhat of a typesetterTs terror. He<lb /><lb />All of the poetry used here may be found in:<lb />a. Poems 1923-1954. New York: Harcourt, Brace, 1954.<lb />b. 95 Poems. New York: Harcourt, Brace, 1958.<lb /><lb />The volume, poem number, and page references have been indicated below each poem.<lb /><lb />The most perceptive critic of CummingsT works that I have read is Norman Friedman. His books and<lb />two others have good secondary material. They are:<lb /><lb />Baum, S. V. (ed.). HETI: e ec: HE. E. CUMMINGS AND THE CRITICS. East Lansing, Mich.: Michigan<lb />State University Press, 1962.<lb /><lb />Friedman, Norman. e.e. cummings: the art of his poetry. Baltimore, Md.: The Johns Hopkins Press,<lb />1960.<lb /><lb />Friedman, Norman. e.e. cummings: The Growth of a Writer. Carbondale, Ill.: Southern Illinois Univer-<lb />sity Press, 1964.<lb /><lb />Norman, Charles. The Magic-Maker: E. E. Cummings. New York: The Macmillan @ompany, 1958. A<lb />biography which includes criticism of his poetry.<lb /><lb />29<lb /><lb /></p>
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          <lb />does, however, have a large number of oregularT�T poems, including some sonnets. Such as:<lb /><lb />it may not always be so; and i say<lb /><lb />that if your lips, which i have loved, should touch<lb />anotherTs, and your dear strong fingers clutch<lb />his heart, as mine in time not far away;<lb /><lb />if on anotherTs face your sweet hair lay<lb /><lb />in such a silence as i know, or such<lb /><lb />great writhing words as, uttering overmuch,<lb /><lb />stand helplessly before the spirit at bay;<lb /><lb />if this should be, i say if this should be-<lb />you of my heart, send me a little word;<lb />that i may go unto him, and take his hands,<lb />saying, Accept all happiness from me.<lb />then shall i turn my face, and hear one bird<lb />sing terrible afar in the lost lands.<lb /><lb />(a, I:61)<lb /><lb />The movement in this poem, from that which is near to something at an imaginary dis-<lb />tance, is obvious. The bird, a traditional poetic symbol of joy, becomes a symbol of truth<lb />in CummingsT work and is often associated with his ladyTs eyes. Here it is used in one<lb />of his poems written while he was still a student at Harvard.<lb /><lb />One of the things most disliked by Cummings is the type of conformity which, as<lb />John Stuart Mill so aptly pointed out 100 years ago, tends to become an ounworld� tyran-<lb />ny of the masses, or, in many instances, a tyranny of a minority elected by the masses. To<lb />Cummings, problems like Communism are best solved by the individuals without the guid-<lb />ance of the John Birch Society"this is very much in line with the thoughts of William<lb />Faulkner. Cummings feels that the mind of collective man has become evil through be-<lb />ing dehumanized. Conversely, that which is personal, or individual, is natural and is the<lb />humanized good. Since love is basic and good, the idea of that which is humanized shows<lb />up in much of his poetry where the speaker and his lady are isolated:<lb /><lb />If i have made, my lady, intricate<lb /><lb />imperfect various things chiefly which wrong<lb /><lb />your eyes (frailer than most deep dreams are frail)<lb />songs less firm than your bodyTs whitest song<lb /><lb />upon my mind-if i have failed to snare<lb /><lb />the glance too shy-if through my singing slips<lb /><lb />the very skillful strangeness of your smile<lb /><lb />the keen primeval silence of your hair<lb /><lb />-let the world say ohis most wise music stole<lb />nothing from deathTT-<lb />you only will create<lb />(who are so perfectly alive) my shame:<lb />lady through whose profound and fragile lips<lb />the sweet small clumsy feel of April came<lb />into the ragged meadow of my soul.<lb />(a, V:219)<lb /><lb />30<lb /><lb />= 7<lb /><lb /></p>
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        <p>aS<lb /><lb />The absence of capital letters is to show emphasis which normal rules of English<lb />grammar do not cover. If custom had been followed in the above poem, oi� would have<lb />been capitalized, but not olady,� and that would destroy the balance. Incidentally, Cum-<lb />mingsT name is actually e. e. cummings because he had it legally put into lower case. That<lb />seems to be a bit too much. oApril� is capitalized in his poems probably more than any<lb />other word. As far as Cummings is concerned, April is the most important time of the<lb />year because it signifies new life, such as that created after a hard New England winter.<lb /><lb />That is well illustrated in this segment:<lb /><lb />i say<lb />that even after April<lb />by God there is no excuse for May<lb />(a, XX XIII: 189-90)<lb /><lb />If the reader is careful to place the emphasis on the capital letters, much misinter-<lb />pretation will be avoided. One poem, for instance, starts:<lb /><lb />may i feel said he<lb />and the last two lines in the final verse are:<lb /><lb />youTre divine! said he<lb />(you are Mine said she)<lb />(a, 16: 288-298)<lb /><lb />The last line tells what the poem is about. Sex is used as a vehicle of expression, but could<lb />hardly be interpreted as the subject of the poem. Since sex is part of that which is natur-<lb />al, it is good and is treated like all other things which are still humanized. An adolescent<lb />attitude in his treatment of sex is found more often in the interpretation than in the<lb />poem.<lb /><lb />Obviously a large number of CummingsT poems are experiments. It is painfully ob-<lb />vious that a few of them fail, but that is to be expected. The important thing is the ones<lb />that he is able to bring off right in discarding old forms and creating new ones. The idea<lb />that anything can reach the point of diminishing returns is shown in this section from<lb />oPOEM, OR BEAUTY HURTS MR. VINAL:�<lb /><lb />i would<lb />suggest that certain ideas gestures<lb />rhymes, like Gillette Razor Blades<lb />having been used and reused<lb />to the mystical moment of dullness emphatically are<lb />Not To Be Resharpened<lb />(a, I1:167-168)<lb /><lb />31<lb /><lb /></p>
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        <p>However, his most noteworthy experiment, the separation of words by other words,<lb />is basically nothing new at all. It just has not been used oto the mystical moment of dull-<lb /><lb />�<lb /><lb />ness.� This splitting of words was used by the Greeks and is known as tmesis, which also<lb /><lb />is hard to pronounce. This can be used to create a picture poem which freezes motion:<lb /><lb />l(a<lb /><lb />le<lb />af<lb />fa<lb /><lb />I]<lb /><lb />s)<lb />one<lb />]<lb /><lb />iness<lb />(b, no. 1)<lb /><lb />In this the isolation of the letters give the words a feeling of loneliness. The splitting<lb />makes the leaf a part of loneliness and allows oone� to stand out by itself and complement<lb />the mood. Like paintings, some poems cannot be read aloud.<lb /><lb />Cummings takes this as a starting place and often uses space to separate parts of<lb /><lb />words, creating another effect:<lb /><lb />mortals)<lb />climbi<lb />ng i<lb />nto eachness begi<lb />n<lb />dizzily<lb />swingthings<lb />of speeds of<lb />trapeze gush somersaults<lb /><lb />open ing<lb />hes shes<lb />&amp;meet&amp; j<lb />swoop {<lb />fully is are ex<lb />quisite theys of re ¥<lb />turn<lb />a<lb />n<lb />d<lb />fall which now drop who all dreamlike<lb />(im<lb />(a, 48 :385)<lb /><lb />32<lb /></p>
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        <p>"a<lb /><lb />The splitting off of oClimbi,� oi,� and obegi� emphasizes the oi� of each, or the perform-<lb />erTs individuality. Also, the poem becomes a word picture of the performersT actions. This<lb /><lb />device can be used to give letters two differerent words. Part of one poem reads:<lb /><lb />a snowflake twi-<lb />sts<lb />yon<lb />its way to now<lb />-here<lb />(b, no. 4)<lb /><lb />The last seven letters can read onow here� or onowhere,� creating two distinctly differ-<lb />ent moods.<lb />Another structure akin to this, although the words may not always be split, is the<lb /><lb />use of parentheses to make a poem say more than one thing;<lb /><lb />why<lb /><lb />do the<lb />fingers<lb /><lb />of the lit<lb />tle once beau<lb />tiful la<lb /><lb />dy (sitting sew<lb />ing at ano<lb /><lb />pen window this<lb />fine morning) fly<lb /><lb />instead of dancing<lb />are they possibly<lb />afraid that life is<lb />running away from<lb />them (i wonder) or<lb /><lb />isnTt she a<lb /><lb />ware that life (who<lb />never grows old)<lb />is always beau<lb /><lb />tiful and<lb />that nobod<lb />y beauti<lb /><lb />ful ev<lb />er hur<lb /><lb />ries<lb />(b, no. 52)<lb /><lb />Here the parenthetical sections can be read like they were set off by commas, or it can<lb /><lb />33<lb /></p>
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        <p>A poem previously given, omortals),� shows the same thing, but not<lb />to such an extent.<lb />The next poem should be seen before any remarks are made:<lb /><lb />bright<lb /><lb />bRight s??? big<lb />(soft)<lb /><lb />soft near calm<lb />(Bright)<lb />calm st?? holy<lb /><lb />(soft briGht deep)<lb />yeS near sta? calm star big yEs<lb />alone<lb />(wHo<lb />Yes<lb />near deep whO big alone soft near<lb />deep calm deep<lb />Who (holy alone) holy (alone holy) alone<lb />(a, 70 :326)<lb /><lb />The question marks are used for two purposes. First, the question mark is a physical<lb />metaphor which resembles a light filament. Second, it emphasizes that the quality of<lb /><lb />stars can only be gradually realized. The words obright,� oyes,� and owho� are capita-<lb />lized letter-by-letter as the realization becomes complete.<lb /><lb />An important item in studying the work of a writer is realizing by whom he is in-<lb />fluenced in order to understand the use of certain methods. Shakespeare, in Macbeth,<lb />uses inversion of nature as symbolism when England is conquered by evil. This is shown<lb />in the section where the horses eat their own flesh, an unnatural event which contrasts<lb />with the dehumanized Macbeth. Cummings uses inversion of values to contrast good and<lb /><lb />evil in:<lb /><lb />as freedom is a breakfastfood<lb /><lb />or truth can live with right and wrong<lb />or molehills are from mountains made<lb />-long enough and just so long<lb /><lb />will being pay the rent of seem<lb /><lb />and genius please the talentgang<lb /><lb />and water most encourage flame<lb /><lb />as hatracks into peachtrees grow<lb /><lb />or hopes dance best on bald menTs hair<lb />and every finger is a toe<lb /><lb />and any courage is a fear<lb /><lb />-long enough and just so long<lb /><lb />will the impure think all things pure<lb />and hornets wail by children stung<lb /><lb />35<lb /><lb /></p>
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          <lb />or as the seeing are the blind<lb /><lb />and robins never welcome spring<lb /><lb />nor flatfolk prove their world is round<lb />nor dingsters die at break of dong<lb />and commonTs rare and millstones float<lb />-long enough and just so long<lb />tomorrow will not be too late<lb /><lb />worms are the words but joyTs the voice<lb />down shall go which and up come who<lb /><lb />breasts will be breasts thighs will be thighs<lb />deeds cannot dream what dreams can do<lb />-time is a tree(this life one leaf)<lb />but love is the sky and i am for you<lb />just so long and long enough<lb />(a, 25: 366-367)<lb /><lb />In the fourth stanza, where things are natural, the world is good.<lb /><lb />Cummings shares similar feelings about April with Chaucer, and here he praises the<lb /><lb />work of the greater poet:<lb /><lb />honour corruption villainy holiness<lb /><lb />riding in fragrance of sunlight(side by side<lb /><lb />all in a singing wonder of blossoming yes<lb />riding) to him who died that death should be dead<lb /><lb />humblest and proudest eagerly wan<lb /><lb />(equally all alive in miraculous day)<lb /><lb />merrily moving through sweet forgiveness of spring<lb />(over the under the gift of the earth of the sky<lb /><lb />knight and ploughman pardoner wife and nun<lb />merchant frere clerk somnour miller and reve<lb /><lb />and geoffrey and all) come up from the never of when<lb />come into the now of forever come riding alive<lb /><lb />down while crylessly drifting through vast most<lb />nothingsTs own nothing children go of dust<lb />(a, 63: 463)<lb /><lb />CummingsT ideas about individuality are well brought out in his poems of praise.<lb /><lb />Among other people, he praises Picasso, his father Reverend Cummings, Buffalo Bill,<lb /><lb />Ford Madox Ford, and the peculiar Joe Gould.<lb /><lb />Joseph Ferdinand Gould was born in Norwood, Mass., the son of a doctor. He gradu-<lb /><lb />ated from Harvard magna cum laude in 1911, the year Cummings entered. By normal<lb /><lb />standards, Gould never lived up to what society expected of him.<lb /><lb />Gould could usually be found in Greenwich Village where he would give lectures on<lb /><lb />Cummings and Dos Passos. He wrote An Oral History of Our Time"unpublished"which<lb /><lb />contains 11,000,000 words. The work was seven feet tall, so he boasted that he was the<lb /><lb />36<lb /></p>
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        <p>self etcetera lay quietly<lb />in the deep mud et<lb /><lb />cetera<lb />(dreaming,<lb />et<lb />cetera, of<lb />Your smile<lb />eyes knees and of your Etcetera)<lb />(a, X:197-198)<lb /><lb />There is much obscenity in CummingsT satire, but it is rarely in bad taste because it is<lb />usually toned down, witty, or expresses just what is needed to be said. There are at least<lb />two obvious exceptions which even Norman Friedman finds are oangry without wit.�<lb />These are oTHANKSGIVING (1956)�"which is about the Hungarian crisis (b, no. 39),<lb />and oF is for foetus (a�"an attack on FDR (a, 37: 449-450), both poems of artless out-<lb />rage.<lb /><lb />In the spring of 1931, Cummings went to Russia. No one at that time knew much<lb />about the place except what was shown in Communist propaganda " plenty of wine and<lb />art. He returned disenchanted and some of_his friends gave him the nickname oKumrad,�<lb /><lb />which he used instead of comrade in one of his poems which ends:<lb /><lb />every kumrad is a bit<lb /><lb />of quite unmitigated hate<lb /><lb />(travelling in a futile groove<lb /><lb />god knows why)<lb /><lb />and so do i<lb /><lb />(because they are afraid to love<lb />(a, 30: 296)<lb /><lb />The above stanza is from a poem published originally in no thanks (1935), a book<lb />of 71 poems. The book was reviewed in a Communist publication called the Daily Worker<lb />and that poem was quoted"minus the first stanza and lines 3, 4, and 5 of the stanza<lb />above. In the same book there is a sonnet on the previously mentioned Joe Gould and<lb /><lb />another poem of protest"the first stanza goes:<lb /><lb />Jehova buried, Satan dead,<lb /><lb />do fearers worship Much and quick:<lb />badness not being felt as bad,<lb /><lb />itself thinks goodness what is meek:<lb />obey says toc, submit says tic,<lb />EternityTs a Five Year Plan:<lb /><lb />if Joy with Pain shall hang in hock<lb />who dares to call himself a man?<lb /><lb />39<lb /></p>
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        <p>A PASSING GRADE FOR BRECHT<lb /><lb />A SHORT STORY BY<lb /><lb />LYN PALADINO<lb /><lb />Pine Bluffs Tech is embosomed on the side of a<lb />steep bluff. The surveyors and engineers who laid<lb />out the site sixty-four years ago were impeded in<lb />their attempt to erect all the buildings on one<lb />level: private homes bounded the north-south ex-<lb />tremities of the college property and, fifty feet to<lb />the west, parallel to the school, ran the railroad<lb />tracks. Within these physical boundaries the<lb />library, two dormitories, and the phys. ed. building<lb />had been constructed. Seventy-eight stairs above<lb />the verdant declivity, auspiciously placed on the<lb />second level, are five buildings (the level had been<lb />carved out from the side of the bluff to accept<lb />them) ; the administration building, Davis, Mac-<lb />Grand, and Steinmetz Halls, and the home ec.<lb />building. One hundred eight steps higher, on the<lb />third level and, laid out on a niche in the side of the<lb />bluff similar to level two, is the football stadium.<lb />Daily climbs from level one to level two elicited the<lb />usual spate of jokes from students and faculty:<lb />oTf I get lost, send a St. Bernard�; oDija ever<lb /><lb />think what an escalator cud do for the disposition<lb />of the faculty?T�T; oMan, when you graduate from<lb />this school you get two degrees .. . one for moun-<lb />tain climbing too!�; oAll ya need is that special<lb />booster shot of mountain goat blood from the in-<lb />firmary.�<lb /><lb />Although each building was rendered in its own<lb />unimpressive but inimitable architecture, all are<lb />look-alikes because of their common characteris-<lb />tics"unwashed windows and grimy, soot-stained<lb />walls. Although the former could be modified by<lb />the custodial staff, the latter could be remedied<lb />only by monthly sand-blasting, or by rerouting of<lb />the Diesel units and permanent closing of the<lb />industrial plants in the neighborhood. ~Mechani-<lb />cal monsters,� as the Diesels were affectionately<lb />called by the professors, move through the city<lb />of Sylvester in unequalled cacaphony" gutteral<lb />incantation of steel wheels, raucous wheeze of<lb />strident whistles, indecorous blast of sonorous<lb />horns, frenzied clang of urgent bells. In addition,<lb /><lb />41<lb /><lb /></p>
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          <lb />there was the weary spew of engine soot. After<lb />the Diesels passed through Sylvester, the city<lb />returned to its usual drowsy state. Not the<lb />ubiquitous soot and its inexorable assault, how-<lb />ever! Industrial smokestacks regurgitated their<lb />wastes into the air, polluting the atmosphere as<lb />far as six miles away and peppering everything<lb />underneath the vast cloud with black hail.<lb /><lb />No wrought iron gates and ornamental iron<lb />fences, nor sprinkling fountains and ponds at-<lb />test to Ivy League tradition and pomp. Even the<lb />bell tower on the administration building houses<lb />a simulated bell that functions electronically: bell<lb />strokes on magnetic tape are emitted twice each<lb />hour, ten minutes before the hour and again on<lb />the hour.<lb /><lb />Pine Bluffs Tech, granting degrees preponder-<lb />antly in technology, is a four-year college whose<lb />pedagogical advance is too often commensurate<lb />with the advance of the somnabulist, tottering<lb />city of Sylvester. Administrators canvass remote<lb />ohollers� (hollows) for additional mediocre stud-<lb />ents, politicians plead for additional unnecessary<lb />taxes. Graduating engineers, surprisingly enough,<lb />depart with an engineer education in addition to a<lb />degree. Graduates from the departments of phys.<lb />ed., business admin., general ed., home ec. and<lb />humanities carry off degrees and four memory-<lb />filled years of skylarking and extra-curricular<lb />activities. That these graduates have not learned<lb />to make objective judgments based upon know-<lb />ledge, to render ordered self-expression, to observe<lb />facts with discrimination, to analyze, synthesize<lb />and correlate information, to employ critical<lb />imagination, to seek out research sources and to<lb />think creatively is regarded, if at all, as of no<lb />consequence. They are well-rounded graduates<lb />from a well-rounded college trained to be well-<lb />rounded citizens for a well-rounded democracy.<lb />The administration at Pine Bluffs continues to<lb />wink and nod in its duties toward the student and<lb />the community.<lb /><lb />Students classify courses at Pine Bluffs as<lb />osnow,� omediocre,� and orock-breaker.� Know-<lb />ledgeable students only, one suspects, would be<lb />aware of the classification; yet entering freshmen<lb />are prepped, each course minutely identified down<lb />to number of lectures, books, and research papers<lb />assigned. Similarly, professors are placed in cate-<lb />gories that correspond to course classification,<lb />designated respectively as osnap,� oO.K.,� and<lb />otough,� or more popularly, oson of a bitch.�<lb /><lb />Instructor Robert Clyde had been given the<lb />oson of a bitch� classification two years earlier,<lb /><lb />42<lb /><lb />his first year at Pine Bluffs. His colleagues had<lb />warned him to go easy on his students that first<lb />year, but he had disdained their fanciful sugges-<lb />tions. Having flunked nine students in the Ameri-<lb />can lit. final, he believed his appraisal more than<lb />justified because they had been goof-offs all semes-<lb />ter and none had earned a grade higher than<lb />D minus, either quiz or hour-written exam. Ironi-<lb />cally, it was not flunking these students that pre-<lb />cipitated the repercussion behind the sacrosanct<lb />walls of the academic deanTs office.<lb /><lb />Sixteen students from the same class went to<lb />the final exam carrying a C minus average. These<lb />students earned DTs for final grades. Howling<lb />like ululating wolves denied food privileges at the<lb />predatorTs kill, two young ladies from this group<lb />had turned on the tears and oWhat will I tell my<lb />mother?� routine to the conciliatory dean. Mr.<lb />Clyde was called into the deanTs office after the<lb />pair had been mollified and dismissed from the<lb />deanTs office. Informed of the histronics and the<lb />hanky twisting of both ladies, Mr. Clyde had<lb />sought to learn from the dean the reason, if any,<lb />for a legitimate complaint. Mr. Clyde produced<lb />the class register, revealed quiz and hour-written<lb />grades, and the final exam grades of both students.<lb />oShould I disregard the grades and ~giveT them<lb />the gentlemanTs grade of C?� oOh, no! Never!�<lb />the dean responded. ~You donTt seem to under-<lb />stand,� he continued. oBoth students were eligible<lb />for oWhoTs Who in American Colleges and Univer-<lb />sities. Now they are no longer eligible.�<lb /><lb />Mr. Clyde, wishing to point out the obvious non<lb />sequitur, instead replied, oSo what!� Then, as<lb />though the dean were telepathic, he told Mr.<lb />Clyde of the B average required of students, and<lb />that it must be maintained four years for oneTs<lb />inclusion into the prestigious society. The in-<lb />structor was grimly determined to listen to the<lb />deanTs worn arguments of unorthodox method-<lb />ology, the undermining of student confidence, and<lb />the well-rounded student. None were proffered.<lb />Mr. Clyde admitted that should the dean be urged<lb />to alter the grades, he, Mr. Clyde, would wish him,<lb />the dean, to countersign both grade changes. With<lb />that one stipulation, Mr. Clyde would be amenable<lb />to the deanTs chicanery. This last, however, he<lb />did not tell the dean. The dean was not immune to<lb />that kind of administrative encroachment in a<lb />singularly academic province. Mr. Clyde had been<lb />warned of some of the deanTs past illegalities.<lb />From that time on, Mr. Clyde had established his<lb />reputation: his unpopularity remained unchanged<lb />two years later.<lb /><lb /></p>
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        <p>The osnap� instructor who teaches osnow�<lb />courses could be expected to rely on the textbook<lb />as though it were a crutch, and to be a bore. No<lb />lectures, no discussion, no check to learn if texts<lb />are read. Only spoonfed readings, devoid of the<lb />ancillary dividends to be found in lecture-discus-<lb />sion and the Socratic method. Perfect attendance<lb />in his class is tantamount to a grade of C.<lb /><lb />The oO.K.,� or ogreat guy,� instructor, intruder<lb />on student bull sessions, moocher of cigarettes and<lb />pipe tobacco, is the jovial, backslapping individual<lb />who had lost sight of his ideals and his philosophy<lb />of education many years ago. Comfortably tenur-<lb />ed and happily settled in his monotonous circum-<lb />stances, he is quite content to accept fatuous<lb />mediocrity and, for the sake of euphemism, call it<lb />oaverage, scholarship.� Complacent as the cow<lb />lying in the shade of a maple thicket, hunger com-<lb />pletely sated, and unperturbed by the steady diet<lb />of pasture grass, he is unremitting in his pursuit<lb />of duty to have students adhere to the same criter-<lb />ia of high standards: five-thousand-word term<lb />paper containing five major and five minor foot-<lb />notes; a corresponding decrease of one whole<lb />grade for each one thousand words short of the<lb />assigned figure. Plagiarism, unchecked footnotes,<lb />mechanics, grammar, unity and coherence, all es-<lb />sential ingredients, are ignored. Five thousand<lb />words, thatTs what counts! Like the fanatic he<lb />redoubles his efforts after he forgets his aims.<lb />From the undeviating past performances of the<lb />ogreat guy� and the previous experiences of the<lb />upper classmen who had sat in his classes, the en-<lb />tering freshmen could adduce the following: same<lb />lectures given from yellowed 5 x 8 note cards;<lb />same ancient jokes; same tests (frat houses shelt-<lb />ered copies in file cabinets and made copies avail-<lb />able to non-Greeks for five dollars each) ; same col-<lb />lateral reading list. The ogreat guy� never flunks.<lb />The average grade, C, is preponderent, a sprinkle<lb />of BTs and a soupcon of ATs, and the remainder<lb />DTs, make up the tasty recipe. Those who do fail-<lb />ing work but attend faithfully are assured a D.<lb />WhoTs going to ruin a good thing because of irregu-<lb />lar attendance? In this category the majority of<lb />Pine Bluffs Tech instructors are pigeonholed.<lb /><lb />The otough� instructor is not averse to chatting<lb />with students in the student union over a cup of<lb />coffee. He is polite, mild-mannered, but suspicious<lb />of too much exposure among students.<lb /><lb />Robert Clyde, on his first day at Pine Bluffs,<lb />after he had given his classes a cursory outline of<lb />the organization and conduct of his courses, was<lb />hesitantly relegated, by his students, to the third<lb /><lb />grouping. Five minutes after the first hour-writ-<lb />ten exam two weeks later, he had been labelled<lb />os.o.b.�, definitely o~s.o.b.�� From the time he had<lb />known that he would make teaching his life work,<lb />that it would be a part of him, growing each day in<lb />some respects like the organic metaphor, he was<lb />determined to remain a scholar capable in assisting<lb />students to learn. He was determined to communi-<lb />cate to students and the public mind the true im-<lb />age, at least, of one respective of the inquiring<lb />mind; he had resolved to awaken in students the<lb />desire to nurture and cultivate excellence. To earn<lb />student respect and admiration for the scholar-<lb />teacher, he would learn and teach himself to be a<lb />paragon worthy of emulation.<lb /><lb />Pensive, Robert Clyde moved down the stairs,<lb />thoughts turning on the cryptic note in his pocket.<lb />The note was a pale green sheet, folded once, from<lb />the academic deanTs desk pad, bearing the mes-<lb />sage: oMost urgent. See me after last class today.<lb />Dean Lloyd.� Now what does he want? Perhaps<lb />student behavior at the last social I chaperoned.<lb />Student drinking on campus? Yes, thatTs pos-<lb />sible... Yet I saw no one... in the menTs room?<lb />How can one be sure? Still, I signed the chaperone<lb />card attesting that there had been no drinking.<lb />Yes, thatTs true... But if they drank, they drank<lb />in secrecy ...I signed the card in good faith...<lb />ThereTs nothing to worry about. Maybe itTs some-<lb />thing else. At the bottom of the stairs he turned<lb />left, walked toward the deanTs office. Robert Clyde<lb />was tall, slender, almost too thin to be athletic, but<lb />the appearance was deceptive. His propensity<lb />for striped ties and natural shoulder suits intensi-<lb />fied the slender build. He had lettered in track,<lb />baseball and football in college. His hair was<lb />muddy yellow, partly curly, and his eyes were<lb />green.<lb /><lb />He knocked on the deanTs office door, waited for<lb />the response, walked in. Simultaneously, the dean<lb />requested that he take a seat and motioned him<lb />to sit in the large leather chair opposite the desk.<lb />Robert Clyde sat. He took out a black, long-stem-<lb />med pipe, tobacco pouch and a book of matches.<lb />A knock. The door opened; in stepped Dennis<lb />Kanehl. So he is ~Most UrgentT. Now I know why<lb />I am here. The dean spoke.<lb /><lb />oYou know Mr. Clyde, Dennis. Close the door.<lb />Take a seat over there.T The dean pointed to an<lb />unoccupied chair several feet from Mr. Clyde.<lb /><lb />oYes, sir. Thank you, sir.� |<lb /><lb />He sat. The dean went through his customary<lb />office procedures"pushed the swivel chair away<lb />from the desk, leaned back, locked hands behind<lb /><lb />43<lb /><lb /></p>
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He<lb />had acquitted himself at both jobs, teacher-chair-<lb />man, in the usual desultory manner of one con-<lb />fronted by two jobs who is incapable of doing<lb />either job adequately"unprepared to teach, too<lb />confused to administrate. Colleagues in the busi-<lb />ness administration department had discharged<lb />his departmental responsibilities and he had ac-<lb />cepted the praise and recognition. Faculty who<lb />had known, and there were few, winced each time<lb />he committed the egregious errors ocould of� and<lb />owould of.�<lb /><lb />oTTve requested both of you to come to my office<lb />because ITve heard something that distresses me<lb />very much. ITm sure I donTt have all the facts.<lb />This, I hope, youTll provide.�<lb /><lb />Mr. Clyde was somewhat appalled. He calls me<lb />into his office, knows only what the student tells<lb />him, and expects me to fill in the gaps! Why had<lb />he not accorded me the courtesy of a private meet-<lb />ing before the three of us met? Dammit! The<lb />blundering, incompetent...<lb /><lb />oFrankly sir, I have no idea how much you<lb />know. I assume we are here to discuss my flunk-<lb />ing Dennis three weeks before the end of the<lb />semester. Correct? With your permission, sir, I<lb />would like to hear, for the first time, what Dennis<lb />has already told you,� Mr. Clyde said.<lb /><lb />oWould you tell Mr. Clyde what you told me,<lb />Dennis?� Dean Lloyd asked.<lb /><lb />Dennis Kanehl was a Korean veteran who had<lb />attended two colleges before entering Pine Bluffs.<lb />His accumulative credit hours from these schools,<lb />and those he had received for courses taken while<lb />in the Army, numbered one hundred fifty-four,<lb />thirty-four more than the amount required to<lb />graduate. Yet he could not graduate because he<lb />had not completed six hours in biology! Older<lb />than most students, he was the anachronism on<lb />campus: erudite, perspicacious, and at times,<lb /><lb />44<lb /><lb />showing flashes of critical acumen. He was stocky,<lb />aman of great physical bulk, and red-faced.<lb /><lb />oWell, sir,� Dennis said, looking at Mr. Clyde,<lb />oT told Dean Lloyd that our class took the Ameri-<lb />can lit. test Monday last and that you returned<lb />the graded test papers this Monday. Then I told<lb />him of my stopping at your office during confer-<lb />ence hours the following day to check something<lb />on my paper. But because you were busy with<lb />two other students, you asked me to point out the<lb />passage in question and said you would take the<lb />paper home for a closer look. The next day, Wed-<lb />nesday, after our class meeting, you requested I<lb />stop by your office. I did, and thatTs when you<lb />told me I had failed the course. I went to Dean<lb />Lloyd and told him what you told me: that I had<lb />failed American lit. for the year and that my pres-<lb />ence in class was optional from that time on. I<lb />asked the dean ~How could I fail with a C minus<lb />on my paper? and he said that he would find out.<lb />He told me to be in his office two oTclock Thursday.<lb />And thatTs it.�<lb /><lb />oThatTs the substance of what he said to me,<lb />Mr. Clyde,T�T Dean Lloyd said.<lb /><lb />Mr. Clyde nodded. He tamped tobacco into pipe<lb />bowl, clamped teeth on pipe stem, returned pouch<lb />to pocket, lit the pipe. Expelling smoke from<lb />around the stem in rapid puffs, he jumped out of<lb />the chair, brushing off bits of glowing tobacco<lb />that had fallen on his trousers.<lb /><lb />oMr. Clyde, I promised I would get to the bot-<lb />tom of this incident. Now, begin anywhere you<lb />wish, but be mindful to show the justification of<lb />your decision.�<lb /><lb />Dammit! Again that condescending attitude<lb />that eats away at the heart like a corrosive acid.<lb /><lb />oITm fully aware of the gravity of the situation.<lb />Before I can do any explaining, however, I need<lb />several pages. Because I did not know the reason<lb />for this meeting, you can see that I am unprepared.<lb />TheyTre in my office. ITll be only a moment. Ex-<lb />cuse me.�<lb /><lb />He left and returned with a thick folder, DennisT<lb />test paper on top. From the folder he removed one<lb />sheet of paper and placed it on the desk. Next to<lb />the sheet he placed the test paper. Leaning over<lb />the front of the desk and looking on the upside<lb />down sheets, he pointed to a specific passage on<lb />the test paper.<lb /><lb />oRead that segment. Disregard the content of<lb />the essay and the emendation. Then read the<lb />same segment on the duplicate. Finally, compare<lb />them.�<lb /><lb />Mr. Clyde resumed his seat, glanced at Dennis.<lb /><lb /></p>
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        <p>Dennis had moved forward on the chair as though<lb />trying to gain favorable purchase for a better<lb />glimpse. Eyes scanning first one sheet, then the<lb />other, and back to the first, Dean Lloyd looked up,<lb />eyebrows arched, doubt or confusion, or both,<lb />pervading his face.<lb /><lb />oIf there is something extraordinary ...er...<lb />facet about these sheets, it escapes me completely.<lb />They look exactly alike. Why, what should I find?�<lb />Dean Lloyd asked.<lb /><lb />oTook at the sentences underscored in red on<lb />the test paper. Now see if those underscorings ap-<lb />pear on the duplicate. Still no difference?� Mr.<lb />Clyde prodded.<lb /><lb />Mr. Clyde saw the deanTs head lift, the face<lb />galvanized in amazement.<lb /><lb />oWhy, the duplicate is free of underlines! But<lb />what does this difference show? How is it re-<lb />lated?�<lb /><lb />oVery simply, it means that the test paper<lb />Dennis returned to me on Tuesday had underscor-<lb />ings on it that it did not have Monday, the day<lb />before. He underscored those sentences in the<lb />hope that I would be moved by his sympathetic<lb />plea to reconsider his paper and then change the<lb />grade.�<lb /><lb />oT donTt seem to follow the implication,� the<lb />dean said.<lb /><lb />My God, donTt tell me he canTt see through that<lb />dodge! What is it that British historian said?<lb />Obtuse enough to be a menace and stupid enough<lb />to be innocous!<lb /><lb />oIt is a smooth piece of subterfuge,� Mr. Clyde<lb />said impatiently. oDennis wished me to confess to<lb />extreme diligence in reading and in grading his<lb />paper. The underscored sentences were then, and<lb />are now, quite acceptable to me. Is it not reason-<lb />able of him to underscore those precise sentences<lb />I had approved? Certainly! Is it not also reason-<lb />able of him to assume that I would admit to over-<lb />zealous examination of his paper and increase the<lb />grade? Without doubt! This particular pony is<lb />just another of a long list. Luckily it is little used<lb />because it is little known. Doubtless the crib<lb />would have been successful were I lacking the<lb />duplicate.�<lb /><lb />oDennis, what do you have to say?� Dean Lloyd<lb />asked. Fingers interlaced, hands folded in his lap,<lb />Dennis looked up at the dean. His face appeared<lb />bellicose, softened. The stillness was broken by<lb />the struck match, the gentle burble in the pipe<lb />bowl. Dennis unclenched his fingers, lowered his<lb />head over his hand, palms up, and like the pose<lb />captured in mute marble, exemplified submissive-<lb /><lb />ness, almost gratified relief.<lb /><lb />oWell, Dennis?�<lb /><lb />oTtTs all true,� he said, in a taut voice.<lb /><lb />oWhy, Dennis?� interrupted Mr. Clyde. oWhy<lb />you of all persons? There isnTt a scintilla of justi-<lb />fication for doing what you did. If you were fail-<lb />ing, I could understand. But you were not failing.<lb />You certainly would have passed the course. You<lb />were my best student! Above average!�<lb /><lb />oT really donTt know, sir.�<lb /><lb />oDonTt know!T Mr. Clyde exploded. ~You can<lb />offer a better answer than that,� he said, in a<lb />calmer voice. oCome now, Dennis. You expect<lb />us to believe that? You must have had a reason.�<lb /><lb />oNo, sir. No reason. What do you want me to<lb />say? I did it because ITd be denied Phi Beta Kappa<lb />if I didnTt?� Dennis said contemptously. Mr.<lb />Clyde eased out of his chair. He stopped halfway,<lb />bent over like a skier schussing, dropped into the<lb />chair gratefully. He was impelled to go over to<lb />Dennis, take him by the shoulders and shake him.<lb />Biting hard on the pipe bit, he stayed the urge.<lb /><lb />oDean Lloyd, you see before you a paradox. A<lb />veritable paradox. On his test paper you will find<lb />intelligent, yes, even penetrating insights in his<lb />essay on OTNeill. In addition, you will find detailed<lb />references to expressionism in Strindberg, and the<lb />intrinsic relationship to the expressionism of<lb />Lorca. These men were playwrights and contem-<lb />poraries of OTNeill, but they were not Americans.<lb />These men are not even mentioned in our text. I<lb />referred to Strindberg in class, once only. Lorca<lb />never. In spite of this he knows as much about<lb />these writers as some graduate English majors.<lb />Would you say this is compatible with the deed?<lb />Again, Dennis. Why did you do it?�<lb /><lb />oT think I was testing you.�<lb /><lb />Yes.�<lb /><lb />oFantastic! Truly amazing!T Then wearily:<lb />oBut ITm not convinced.�<lb /><lb />Dennis shrugged.<lb /><lb />oI am, however, convinced of one thing: the pen-<lb />alty is not worth the disclosure. ITm curious to<lb />know where you learned the dodge. Mind telling<lb />me?�<lb /><lb />oT read a book about Brecht. He did it at the<lb />Realgymnasium and got away with it,� Dennis<lb />answered.<lb /><lb />oA book by Gray?�<lb /><lb />Dennis nodded.<lb /><lb />oWhoTs Breck?� the dean asked.<lb /><lb />oItTs Brecht, sir. Bertolt B-R-E-C-H-T. Con-<lb />temporary German playwright. Anything youTd<lb />like to say, Dean?�<lb /><lb />45<lb /><lb /></p>
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          <lb />Dean Lloyd walked over to Dennis and placed<lb />one hand on the back of the chair.<lb /><lb />oPlease wait in the outer office, Dennis.�<lb /><lb />Dennis left the room.<lb /><lb />oBefore we get around to DennisT failure, do<lb />you suppose you could tell me about your system<lb />of duplicate copies? ITm curious, too.�<lb /><lb />oBe happy to. I make Thermo Fax copies of<lb />the first hour-written exam of all the students in<lb />all my lit. courses. Then, depending on the stud-<lb />entTs rank in class, that is, failure, average, above<lb />average, I make duplicate copies of subsequent<lb />exams for each of these students only. For ex-<lb />ample, only four or five consistent failures, only<lb />five or six average students, only one or two above<lb />average students have all their tests reproduced.<lb />In this way I note progression in the first group,<lb />consistency or slight fluctuation in the second,<lb />fluctuation or progression in the third. At no<lb />time do I make more than fifteen copies, total for<lb />a class of twenty-four to twenty-eight students.<lb />Students between groupings are checked against<lb />that first duplicate. Finally, duplicates are filed<lb />according to one of three groupings for each lit.<lb />class. ThatTs it.�<lb /><lb />oSounds like a lotta extra work to me.�<lb /><lb />oNot really. The duplicate is especially useful.<lb />Before a student comes to me for a conference, if<lb />he comes, all I need is several minutes with the<lb />duplicate to refresh my memory.�<lb /><lb />oIngenious. Now to our friend outside. WonTt<lb />you reconsider reinstating Dennis in your class?<lb />After all, by your own admission, he is a good<lb />student. Your best. And too, what he did is not<lb />like cheating in the conventional way where secret<lb />notes are used,� the dean appealed.<lb /><lb />oUsing less conventional means does not make<lb />it any less a deception. ItTs just like lying"a lie is<lb />a lie, small or big. Dennis is in a similar position.<lb />If we ignore his deceit, it is tantamount to accep-<lb />ting it, and we would have passive roles in the col-<lb />lusion. No, sir. My decision remains unchanged.�<lb /><lb />oI guess when you state it that way it does<lb />make sense.�<lb /><lb />oYes, sir. What we do now is not for Dennis the<lb />student today but for Dennis the husband, the<lb />father, the worker, the citizen tomorrow. We can<lb />shape his moral values; we canTt supervise them.<lb />He selects his own standard of ethical conduct.<lb />Before we can help him we must recognize the<lb />basic tenet in any system of values"truth"truth<lb />between ourselves. Forgive me, sir. I did not<lb />mean to pontificate.�<lb /><lb />oQuite all right, Robert,� the dean said.<lb /><lb />46<lb /><lb />Robert Clyde wondered if office intimacy promp-<lb />ted the dean to call him ~Robert,T or a breakthrough<lb />on the veneer of self-restraint. Never ~RobertT be-<lb />fore. Always ~Mr. ClydeT or ~Sir.T<lb /><lb />oShall I call him in?� Dean Lloyd asked.<lb /><lb />oHave you decided?�<lb /><lb />*¥equ"�<lb /><lb />oEven to what you'll say to him?�<lb /><lb />oVes,!<lb /><lb />Mr. Clyde did not answer, instead nodded. As<lb />Dean Lloyd went to the door, Mr. Clyde knocked<lb />the dottle from the pipe into the waste paper bas-<lb />ket next to the desk. Dennis entered and Dean<lb />Lloyd closed the door behind him. They sat.<lb /><lb />oWeTve decided, Dennis, that Mr. ClydeTs de-<lb />cision stands. You are to be given a failure for<lb />the course.�<lb /><lb />Then he launched into elaborate explanation,<lb />utilizing at every turn Mr. ClydeTs argument ver-<lb />batim. He droned on, ramifying minuscule ideas<lb />and uttering redundancies. Mr. Clyde read ob-<lb />vious tedium on DennisT face and wished the dean<lb />would stop. He did.<lb /><lb />oFinally, let me say that you could of been al-<lb />lowed to remain in class if we thought you deserv-<lb />ed it. YouTll profit from this experience when you<lb />take American lit. this summer. I suggest you take<lb />it during the summer session. Care to say any-<lb />thing, Dennis?�<lb /><lb />Mr. Clyde hoped Dennis would say something,<lb />anything, even if only to get it said and off his<lb />chest.<lb /><lb />oNo, sir. Thank you for your time. You too,<lb />Mr. Clyde.�<lb /><lb />oYou may leave, Dennis.�<lb /><lb />Dennis rose, went to the door.<lb /><lb />oJust a moment, Dennis,� Mr. Clyde said, get-<lb />ting out of the chair. oDean, ITd like to leave with<lb />him. Several things to ask. You know. Other<lb />courses, other grades.�<lb /><lb />oSure, sure. WeTre through here. See you to-<lb />morrow. Good day.�<lb /><lb />oGood afternoon, sir,TT Mr. Clyde said.<lb /><lb />Mr. Clyde and Dennis left the deanTs office to-<lb />gether, passed through the outer office into the<lb />quiet corridor. Mr. Clyde was grateful to find the<lb />corridor empty of students. Usually in the immed-<lb />iate proximity of the deanTs office, in the corridor,<lb />students congregated, waiting to see the dean. The<lb />familiar knot of students moved one wag to coin<lb />a name for them: WALTTS WHINERS. Dennis<lb />stood flat-footed, feet spaced wide, arms folded<lb />across his chest. He waited for Mr. Clyde to<lb />speak.<lb /><lb />|<lb />|<lb /><lb /></p>
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        <p>a<lb /><lb />oWhat happens now, Dennis? How do you<lb />stand in your other courses?�<lb /><lb />oFine, except for Dr. ThorndikeTs class,T Dennis<lb />said.<lb /><lb />Dr. Thorndike, biology prof, was another<lb />otough� instructor.<lb /><lb />oYou have a run-in with him?�<lb /><lb />Dennis laughed a tight, self-conscious laugh.<lb /><lb />oIn a way. He threw me out of his class yester-<lb />day. Over-cutting.T�T He added defensively, oBut<lb />I was doing passing work . .. whenever I was at-<lb />tending class. I donTt know. I guess itTs just that<lb />biology doesnTt interest me and, as a matter of<lb />fact, never had. I rarely took notes, never read<lb />assigned chapters, seldom attended lab session.<lb />You know the usual bit. ItTs not Dr. ThorndikeTs<lb />fault; itTs the course he teaches. Your course,<lb />now, itTs different. It appeals to me. Perhaps be-<lb />cause I read the literature of all cultures.�<lb /><lb />oDoes the dean know of your expulsion from<lb />Dr. ThorndikeTs class?�<lb /><lb />oNo, not yet. But he will,TT Dennis said.<lb /><lb />oWhatTll you do now?�<lb /><lb />oProbably go to another school.�<lb /><lb />oDennis, ITm sorry about what happ.. .�<lb /><lb />oNo hard feelings, Mr. Clyde,�T Dennis interrup-<lb />ted. ~You did what you had to do. Besides, I<lb />didnTt need your class. It was an elective course.<lb />I have enough hours in English to satisfy my Eng-<lb />lish major. Biology, thatTs what killed me!�<lb /><lb />oIf there is any way I can help you, count on<lb />me.�<lb /><lb />oThanks, Mr. Clyde. You know, theyTre right<lb />about you.�<lb /><lb />oWho?�<lb /><lb />oThe students. You are a son of a bitch!�<lb />Dennis said. He turned, walked away.<lb /><lb />CONTRIBUTORS<lb /><lb />Walter Blackstock, Professor of English, Lander College, Greenwood, S. C.<lb /><lb />James Forsyth, student<lb /><lb />Anne W. Nelson, English teacher, Ralph L. Fike High School, Wilson, N. C.<lb /><lb />Peter F. Neumeyer, Assistant Professor, Graduate School of Education,<lb />Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts<lb /><lb />Lyn Paladino, English Instructor, Clark College, Atlanta, Georgia<lb /><lb />Dwight W. Pearce, student<lb /><lb />47<lb /><lb /></p>
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