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        <table>
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            <cell role="data">SPECIAL COLLECTIONS ORAL HISTORY
            COLLECTION</cell>
          </row>
          <row>
            <cell role="data">ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEW #18</cell>
          </row>
          <row>
            <cell role="data">William S. Humphries</cell>
          </row>
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            <cell role="data">March 27, 1974</cell>
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        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Charles Price</speaker>
          <p>It&#8217;s five minutes late now. I sort of think
          it&#8217;s a little facetious to introduce someone as
          well known as our speaker, especially to this audience.
          Bill Humphries has been deeply involved in agricultural
          journalism for a great many years in North Carolina, as
          all of you know. Born in Woodsdale, North Carolina,
          graduate of Wake Forest University, for many years the
          farm editor for the Raleigh News &amp; Observer. He is
          now food and agricultural news editor in the department
          of agricultural information of the School of Agriculture
          and Life Sciences at North Carolina State University. He
          has certainly been one of the most loyal supporters of
          the tobacco symposium here at East Carolina University,
          attending the 1973 session as a representative of the
          press, the fourth estate, returning as luncheon speaker
          in 1974 and today featured in another spot on the
          program. His topic is &#8220;Synthetic Cigarette Material
          and the Tobacco Trade.&#8221; Without further ado
          I&#8217;m quite happy to present, of course, Mr.
          Humphries.</p>
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        <sp who="#name-00000030">
          <speaker>William Humphries</speaker>
          <p>Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, it is a pleasure to
          be here with you. For the record the town of Woodsdale in
          which I was born, the post office</p>
          <pb n="Page 2" />
          <p>there was abolished as of March 1 this year.
          [Laughter] I don&#8217;t know whether that&#8217;s
          symbolic or not. [Laughs] Sitting here looking at this
          crowd I figure that I must be a double idiot, first to
          attempt to stand here and talk to a group of people who
          know so much more about tobacco than I do, tobacco and
          related subjects, and second to attempt to discuss a
          subject whose future is so unknown as much as synthetic
          materials, their future, trying to say anything about
          that. A historical symposium, its role is not to predict
          but to relate facts that have occurred up to the present
          and so maybe I&#8217;ll stay out of trouble most of the
          time, Ken, by sticking to what&#8217;s happened up to now
          without trying to predict where we might go from here,
          which reminds me of the story I heard about one small boy
          asked another, &#8220;What do you suppose people did
          before electricity was discovered?&#8221; The other boy
          thought a minute and he says, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know.
          I guess they must have watched television by
          candlelight.&#8221; [Laughter]</p>
          <p>This real estate agent in New York was showing houses
          to a couple, a young man and young woman from the South,
          and he came to the first house and he started bragging on
          it, and as they approached it he says, &#8220;Now I want
          you to know that here we have a house without a
          flaw,&#8221; and the young Southern woman spoke up and
          said, &#8220;Really? What do you all walk on?&#8221;
          [Laughter]</p>
          <p>Well you probably heard the story about the robins.
          Mr. Robin went off on a business trip and he came back,
          looked in the nest, lo and behold there was a strange
          looking egg. He turned to Mrs. Robin and indignantly
          asked, &#8220;What on earth has been going on
          here?&#8221; and she said, &#8220;Oh, nothing to get
          excited about. I just did it for a lark.&#8221;
          [Laughter]</p>
          <p></p>
          <pb n="Page 3" />
          <p>That most eloquent speaker perhaps of all time,
          certainly the most eloquent speaker of the twentieth
          century, Sir Winston Churchill, was once criticized for
          ending a sentence with a preposition. He turned to the
          person doing the criticizing and said, &#8220;That, sir,
          is a type of damn foolishness up with which I will not
          put.&#8221; [Laughter]</p>
          <p>Well, the tobacco industry in the United States never
          ceases to amaze me. Like Topsy it just keeps on growing.
          Last year American farmers produced almost two billion
          pounds of all types of tobacco for which they received
          gross returns of about two billion, one hundred and fifty
          million dollars. The flue-cured or bright leaf crop alone
          produced chiefly in five states of the southeast brought
          in excess of one billion dollars in 1973 and more than
          one point three billion in 1974, and it is entirely
          possible that farmers in a single state, the state of
          North Carolina, will receive over a billion dollars for
          their 1975 crop of flue-cured. That&#8217;s a lot of
          money, but what about retail sales of tobacco products?
          According to the Tobacco Merchants Association of the
          United States, American consumers in 1974 paid out the
          staggering sum of fourteen billion, three hundred million
          dollars for cigarettes, cigars, smoking and chewing
          tobacco, and snuff. Expenditures for cigarettes alone
          totaled a little over thirteen billion dollars,
          accounting for ninety-two cents of every dollar spent for
          tobacco products. For the past several years retail sales
          of cigarettes have been increasing at a rate somewhere
          between seven hundred and fifty million dollars, three
          quarters of a billion dollars, and one billion dollars a
          year.</p>
          <p>It can certainly be said that tobacco, despite all of
          the attacks on it and despite all of the opposition and
          the criticism and the punitive and restrictive
          legislation proposed and enacted, is indeed a growth
          industry. Exports of U.S. tobacco and tobacco
          products--and you&#8217;ve just heard those discussed by
          an export in the field, my good friend, B.G.</p>
          <pb n="Page 4" />
          <p>Andrews--in calendar 1974 were valued at one point two
          billion dollars, an all-time record. Exports added a net
          amount of nearly one billion dollars to the positive or
          favorable side or our balance of trade position with the
          rest of the world.</p>
          <p>In the words of a well known cigarette ad, it can
          truly be said of the U.S. tobacco industry,
          &#8220;You&#8217;ve come a long way, baby.&#8221; Now a
          new element has entered the picture, synthetics or
          &#8220;artificial&#8221; tobacco. Of course tobacco
          substitutes have been around ever since small boys
          started going out behind the barn and smoking short
          lengths of grapevine or trying to role their own in brown
          wrapping paper, using corn silk, oak leaves, or maybe
          even rabbit tobacco, a common Southern weed. None of
          these unpleasant tasting items ever became a commercial
          product, thank goodness, but in the 1960s a firm in the
          Texas town of Hereford--and that&#8217;s a name that
          could stand for a lot of bull--began marketing a
          cigarette made out of lettuce leaves entirely. Well, it
          was called &#8220;Bravo&#8221; and it was launched with
          much ballyhoo. Many U.S. smokers tried a pack of Bravo
          but in most cases one pack was enough and they
          didn&#8217;t even finish smoking that pack.</p>
          <p>The all vegetable cigarette flopped because smokers
          did not like its taste. In at least three European
          countries today, however, thousands of persons are
          smoking cigarettes that are part synthetic. One of the
          leading artificial materials being used is Cytrel,
          developed by the Celanese Corp. in a pilot plant in
          Charlotte, which happens to be the largest city in the
          leading tobacco-producing state of the United States.
          Another synthetic being tested in cigarette blends in
          Europe is called simply &#8220;new smoking
          material&#8221; or NSM, developed by the Imperial Tobacco
          Group in collaboration with the Imperial Chemicals
          Industries or ICI. The Imperial ICI organization is
          building a factory</p>
          <pb n="Page 5" />
          <p>in Scotland to produce new smoking material on a
          commercial scale. Production capacity reportedly will be
          about twenty-two million pounds, approximately one tenth
          the amount of tobacco used by British manufacturers each
          year. Meanwhile Celanese is constructing a plant at
          Cumberland, Maryland that will produce synthetic Cytrel
          commercially.</p>
          <p>Celanese contends that it is not trying to compete
          with U.S. tobacco growers but rather to supplement their
          efforts to supply the world market with cigarette smoking
          material. It&#8217;s true that world supplies of quality
          tobacco are tight and Celanese says it is attempting to
          help close the gap between demand and supply, but I think
          it&#8217;s worth noting to keep the record straight that
          plans to develop Cytrel date back to 1957 or &#8217;58
          when the United States had enough tobacco to stretch from
          here to the moon. It is not my role here today to predict
          the future of artificial tobacco but allow me, if you
          will, to do just a tiny bit of speculating for one
          moment. If Cytrel proves to be as successful as Celanese
          hopes, why doesn&#8217;t the company construct its
          production facilities in North Carolina? Then if, and I
          do say if, any tobacco farmers become unemployed as a
          result of the artificial material they could seek
          employment in the Celanese factories. [Laughter] This of
          course is a somewhat facetious suggestion. I don&#8217;t
          really expect Celanese to take my advice on the matter;
          at least they haven&#8217;t sought it so far.</p>
          <p>Well, it is obvious that the new synthetics are much
          more formidable contenders for market acceptance than
          cigarettes made of lettuce leaves or the substitutes
          smoked by small boys out behind the barn. For one thing
          large amounts of capital, many millions of dollars, have
          been and are being invested in both Cytrel and NSM; also
          years of research have been devoted to their development.
          The West German Ministry of Health, after</p>
          <pb n="Page 6" />
          <p>three years of testing, has approved marketing of
          cigarettes containing Cytrel for an initial period of two
          years. Two major firms, Martin Brinkman and British
          American Tobacco, are involved. Earlier Celanese had
          announced a joint long term evaluation program with two
          British firms, Carreras Rothmans and Gallaher Ltd. The
          British government&#8217;s Hunter Committee, set up some
          time ago to develop guidelines for consumer testing of
          part synthetic cigarettes, has now approved limited
          marketing trials in that country. A Swiss tobacco
          company, Laurens Rothmans, has received clearance from
          the national health department in Switzerland to market
          cigarettes with twenty percent Cytrel and the sales of
          that product began just last month. A third contender in
          the manmade &#8220;tobacco&#8221; race is [15:13], also a
          British manufacturer. Late in 1973 this company test
          marketed &#8220;Planet,&#8221; a cigarette containing
          fifty percent synthetic and fifty percent tobacco in the
          Coventry area of England, but after three weeks the tests
          were discontinued, presumably because of objections from
          the government&#8217;s Hunter Committee, which had not
          give approval for the testing of this product.</p>
          <p>Except in the case of the Planet cigarette the
          proportion of synthetic material used in cigarettes now
          being marketed in Europe reportedly ranges from twenty to
          twenty-five percent with natural tobacco making up the
          remaining seventy-five to eighty percent of the blend.
          However, in what was apparently the earliest consumer
          test of the new synthetics conducted by Celanese in 1973,
          cigarettes containing from twenty to forty percent Cytrel
          were smoked by about one thousand American consumers for
          a year. This was done in comparison with cigarettes
          containing one hundred percent natural tobacco. According
          to Celanese officials, more than seven of every ten
          smokers participating in these tests preferred cigarettes
          containing Cytrel, even when the proportion was as
          high</p>
          <pb n="Page 7" />
          <p>as forty percent. The chairman of Imperial Tobacco,
          commenting on the synthetic NSM developed by his firm,
          said, &#8220;We are confident that we have an excellent
          tobacco substitute.&#8221;</p>
          <p>In the pilot Celanese operation in Charlotte purified
          wood pulp is fed into machinery that turns out pieces of
          yellow and brown sheet material that looks like sheet
          tobacco. The pieces are something like two or two and a
          half inches square. After moistening and shredding the
          material is mixed with tobacco. Although Cytrel looks
          like tobacco, when smoked alone it is tasteless. Mr. John
          Offerdahl, marketing director for the Celanese product,
          said that Cytrel contains no nicotine, only one seventh
          to one third the average tar delivery of regular
          cigarettes, and when blended with tobacco proportionate
          reductions in nicotine and tar can be expected. The
          implication of course is that cigarettes containing
          Cytrel are &#8220;less hazardous&#8221; or
          &#8220;safer&#8221; for smokers. Now it&#8217;s not the
          tobacco company that has said this or even Celanese but
          the implication is there. If they make it a point in all
          of their news releases to state that the proportion of
          nicotine and tar in the cigarette or in the blend will be
          reduced proportionately by the amount of Cytrel added
          then they must intend for you to reach some sort of
          conclusion from that information.</p>
          <p>Tobacco manufacturers for the most part shy away from
          any direct claim that cigarettes can be made
          &#8220;safer&#8221; by the use of a supplement that is
          nicotine-free and low in tar delivery; however the
          Progressive Farmer magazine recently quoted Dr. H. R.
          Bentley, who made smoke tests on Imperial&#8217;s NSM, to
          this effect, &#8220;We hope that in NSM we might have a
          product, the use of which could help reduce the incidence
          of disease associated with cigarette smoking,&#8221; and
          that&#8217;s about the most direct statement on this</p>
          <pb n="Page 8" />
          <p>phase of synthetics that I have run across anywhere.
          Dr. J.A. Wybrew, a widely known tobacco chemist at North
          Carolina State University, says that breeding programs
          are underway to develop varieties of tobacco with lower
          tar-generating properties, thus making these real
          tobaccos &#8220;safer&#8221; to smoke. Dr. W.K. Collins,
          an extension tobacco specialist at NCSU, says the reason
          people smoke is &#8220;the physiological stimulation,
          that is the pleasure they derive from the natural
          properties in tobacco including nicotine.&#8221; Collins
          continued, &#8220;If you take away part of the nicotine
          by using a supplement somehow you&#8217;ve got to put
          some back.&#8221;</p>
          <p>Dr. Kenneth R. Keller, who is in the audience here,
          head of tobacco research for the North Carolina
          Agricultural Experiments Station, made this statement:
          &#8220;There is no reason for U.S. tobacco growers to
          panic. In fact developments in Europe in connection with
          synthetics could very well increase the pressure on
          American growers to produce adequate supplies of good
          flavorful tobacco to maintain taste and aroma in
          cigarettes made partly of artificial materials.&#8221;
          Both Dr. Keller and Dr. Collins believe that synthetics
          if accepted by smokers will be used to replace low
          quality neutral type tobaccos grown in countries other
          than the United States. Of course this could also affect
          the demand in this country for leaves from the lower
          portion of the tobacco stalk. Demand for low stalk
          leaves, as you know, has been weak in recent years. Dr.
          Collins said the high quality tobacco produced in North
          Carolina and other Southern states would continue to be
          in demand all over the world because of its unique flavor
          and aroma. Dr. Keller views the future of the U.S.
          tobacco grower as highly optimistic, despite synthetics
          and other problems including rising production costs. Dr.
          Keller said, &#8220;Our future hinges on the quality of
          tobacco we produce. Cigarette consumption is expanding
          all over the</p>
          <pb n="Page 9" />
          <p>world and the opportunity we now have to provide world
          markets with good tobacco is greater than I&#8217;ve ever
          seen it.&#8221;</p>
          <p>Dr. Hugh Kiger, head of the tobacco division in the
          foreign agricultural service of the USDA, said that
          synthetic tobacco is an unknown and its future is
          difficult to predict, but he added, &#8220;I don&#8217;t
          believe it will go places in big volume in a short period
          of time.&#8221; It is clear however that artificial
          tobacco has been placed on the market somewhat earlier
          and in larger quantities than most people had expected.
          One reason for this is that rising tobacco prices have
          made substitute materials more attractive to cigarette
          manufacturers from the standpoint of cost. U.S.
          flue-cured prices to farmers for example rose a little
          over nineteen percent last year, from eighty-eight cents
          a pound in 1973 to a dollar, five last year. Burley
          tobacco prices rose almost twenty-three percent in one
          year, from ninety-three cents year before last to a
          dollar, fourteen during the recently completed marketing
          season. In other parts of the world tobacco prices also
          have been rising. In Ontario, for example, in the early
          weeks of sale the average price was about ninety-three
          cents a pound, up from seventy-nine cents the previous
          year. More recently Canadian growers have expressed
          dissatisfaction with the market prices they had been
          receiving. Rising tobacco prices are attributed to
          several factors, including soaring production costs, a
          worldwide shortage of good quality tobacco, and an
          increase of about four percent a year in global cigarette
          smoking. According to William L. Lanier, a tobacco
          official with USDA, tight supplies of tobacco in this
          country led to an &#8220;alarming&#8221; increase in U.S.
          imports of flue-cured and burley for consumption in
          1974.</p>
          <p>What is the cost of the synthetic tobacco materials?
          Industry sources indicate that Cytrel is being sold FOB
          the Celanese plant in Charlotte at a price somewhere in
          the</p>
          <pb n="Page 10" />
          <p>neighborhood of eighty-five cents a pound, and that of
          course is twenty cents a pound below the average market
          price for the flue-cured crop last season. In addition to
          the cost factor and the implied health benefits other
          advantages claimed for Cytrel include the fact that it is
          free of foreign matter, including pesticide residues, it
          is of consistent and uniform quality, and once production
          plants are built manufacturers will have a dependable
          source of supply.</p>
          <p>Are any U.S. cigarette manufacturers using a synthetic
          material in their blends? I have an idea that some of you
          in the audience might be able to answer that question. I
          don&#8217;t know the answer. USDA reported that as of
          last fall one American firm had plans for test marketing
          a part synthetic cigarette in the United States but no
          details were given. It may be that some consumers in this
          country already are smoking cigarettes made partly of
          synthetic material without knowing it, but I doubt that
          this is so. Manufacturers in the United States, like
          those in Europe and elsewhere, are definitely interested
          in manmade tobacco but at least for the most part they
          probably will await the results of the tests in Europe
          before getting deeply involved in the use of synthetics.
          One speaker at the recent tobacco workers conference in
          Charleston, South Carolina, William Miller, told the
          meeting that so long as natural tobacco supplies are
          available and not much more expensive than now the
          possibility is remote that synthetic tobacco will make
          heavy inroads into the U.S. market.</p>
          <p>Tobacco used per one thousand cigarettes made in the
          United States already has been reduced from two point
          seven pounds in the early 1950s to about one point nine
          pounds at present. That&#8217;s a decrease of thirty
          percent, brought about chiefly through the use of
          filters, smaller circumference of some cigarettes, more
          complete utilization of leaf,</p>
          <pb n="Page 11" />
          <p>including stems or midribs, and the use of Freon to
          produce puffed tobacco. NCSU specialist Collins believes
          the future of manmade tobacco depends chiefly on two
          factors: 1) to what extent will it be profitable and
          necessary for cigarette makers to utilize artificial
          materials; 2) to what extent and in what proportions will
          the new materials be accepted by smokers. That I think is
          a key point in the whole situation. The smokers are going
          to have the last word in this whole situation.</p>
          <p>So far as I can determine no one expects a one hundred
          percent artificial or synthetic cigarette to hit the
          market, at least not in the foreseeable future, but
          margarine has largely replaced butter and fibers born in
          test tubes have made heavy inroads on markets for cotton,
          so we cannot ignore the development of synthetics in the
          tobacco industry. Of course, looking down the road quite
          a distance, if the world&#8217;s energy problems become
          much more severe, and if the global food supply situation
          becomes much worse, perhaps more and more people will
          demand that vital production resources, including land
          and energy, be used for food rather than for tobacco.
          Tobacco experts believe the most likely prospect is that
          synthetics, if accepted by smokers, will account for
          considerably less than one half the blend, perhaps
          somewhere around twenty to twenty-five percent. That
          would still leave a tremendous demand for tobacco,
          especially the high quality leaf grown in the
          southeastern United States. In short, I think our tobacco
          farmers, especially those who produce a quality product,
          will continue to be in business for many years to
          come.</p>
          <p>Some interesting experiments are being conducted by
          Dr. W.H. Johnson of the North Carolina Agricultural
          Experiments Station. He is testing close-grown tobacco as
          a high yielding economical product that could help U.S.
          leaf growers compete with</p>
          <pb n="Page 12" />
          <p></p>
          <pb n="Page 13" />
          <p>synthetics. &#8220;It will be years before the
          close-grown tobacco system can be fully developed,&#8221;
          Dr. Johnson said, &#8220;But if the project succeeds
          growers will be able to produce a low cost tobacco
          product that would be available for manufacturers to
          utilize in sheet tobacco if they wish in preference to
          non-tobacco materials.&#8221; Close-grown tobacco would
          be seeded directly in the field with a drill, bypassing
          the plant bed operation completely. It would be seeded at
          the rate of about thirty thousand plants per acre, five
          times the normal rate. Plants call for the use of a
          modified forage type harvester that would chop up the
          entire plant, including the stalk, and produce a yield at
          least twice as large as that of conventionally grown
          tobacco. A modular curing system will be used.</p>
          <p>Many extremely low nicotine cigarette brands have been
          marketed in the United States but very few have gained a
          respectable share of the market. People who smoke
          apparently want enough nicotine to give them a
          satisfactory degree of that physiological stimulation
          that Dr. Collins mentioned, that I referred to earlier.
          Both Dr. Johnson and Dr. Collins, as well as Dr. Keller,
          foresee continued strong demand for high quality U.S.
          flue-cured tobacco, but if manufacturers are looking for
          a supplement to help reduce costs the NCSU specialists
          believe that close grown tobacco probably would cause
          fewer problems in manufacturing and would also be more
          pleasing to smokers than non-tobacco materials. Said Dr.
          Johnson, &#8220;We feel that growers who wish to produce
          close-grown tobacco could sell it at a lower price and
          still receive a fair return in relation to production
          cost. This could be a vital factor in beating the
          competition from synthetics.&#8221;</p>
          <p>To sum up then, the tobacco industry continues to
          change. Farmers, along with other industry segments, are
          willing to accept the challenge of change. In my opinion
          in 1975 the best way they can meet the challenge of
          synthetics is to grow adequate supplies</p>
          <pb n="Page 14" />
          <p>of high quality flue-cured and burley tobacco, making
          sure that their tobacco is as free as possible of sand,
          string, suckers, and other foreign matter. Even though
          production costs will be up growers realistically should
          not expect as much of a price increase in 1975 as the
          increase that occurred in 1974. A sharp rise in prices
          this year would be pleasing but it would have the adverse
          effect of helping to underwrite the rapid expansion of
          the use of synthetics. No, synthetics are not going to
          replace tobacco overnight, but they are a factor to be
          reckoned with in the years immediately ahead. I am
          confident that our growers and our industry and industry
          leaders will rise to the challenge, for change to them
          has become a way of life. In the words of the poet
          Longfellow, &#8220;Nothing that is can pause or stay. The
          moon will wax, the moon will wane, the sun come out to
          shine again. The clouds and mist will turn to rain, the
          rain to mist and clouds again. Tomorrow be today.&#8221;
          Thank you. [Applause]</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Charles Price</speaker>
          <p>Do you have any questions? [35:36]</p>
        </sp>
        <speaker>Questioner One</speaker>
        <p>In the area of the crystal ball, might there not also be
        a possibility that you could get increased consumption of
        cigarettes if you had those people who were let&#8217;s say
        smoking less now for health resurge realize that they might
        be able to go back to a partially fake cigarette in which
        case [36:00].</p>
        <sp who="#name-00000030">
          <speaker>William Humphries</speaker>
          <p>I think this is entirely possible. If you reduce the
          tar and nicotine in cigarettes this could lead to an
          increase in the number of cigarettes smoked per smoker or
          perhaps some people who had given up smoking or cut down
          sharply would go back to it and there could be an
          increase in the number of units of cigarettes smoked,
          yes. I think this is a possibility.</p>
        </sp>
        <pb n="Page 15" />
        <speaker>Questioner Two</speaker>
        <p>[36:29] there are no plans at the present time that you
        know of to [36:34]</p>
        <sp who="#name-00000030">
          <speaker>William Humphries</speaker>
          <p>I do not know of any. Now perhaps somebody in the room
          does. If they do I wish they&#8217;d [Laughs] volunteer
          the information.</p>
        </sp>
        <speaker>Questioner Three</speaker>
        <p>I do know that [they came up to Maryland and bought]
        tobacco stalks, the Celanese Corp. That&#8217;s the last
        thing I heard. [36:58] five cents a pound.</p>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>William Humphries</speaker>
          <p>Five cents a pound for stalks.</p>
        </sp>
        <speaker>Questioner Three</speaker>
        <p>[37:06]</p>
        <speaker>Questioner Four</speaker>
        <p>[37:31]</p>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Charles Price</speaker>
          <p>Well we&#8217;re very grateful for [what we&#8217;ve]
          accomplished today. It&#8217;s been an interesting topic.
          We&#8217;ll now have a fifteen minute break and return at
          3:30 for the next session.</p>
        </sp>
        <p>END OF RECORDING</p>
        <p></p>
        <p>Transcriber: Deborah Mitchum</p>
        <p>Date: October 19, 2010</p>
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