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        <table>
          <row>
            <cell role="data">SPECIAL COLLECTIONS ORAL HISTORY
            COLLECTION</cell>
          </row>
          <row>
            <cell role="data">ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEW #18</cell>
          </row>
          <row>
            <cell role="data">William S. Humphries</cell>
          </row>
          <row>
            <cell role="data">Farm editor of the Raleigh News &amp;
            Observer and present food and agricultural news editor
            in the Department of Agricultural Information at the
            School of Agriculture and Life Sciences, North Carolina
            State University</cell>
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            <cell role="data">March 27, 1974</cell>
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        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>John Ellen</speaker>
          <p>Thank you, Don. It looks like we&#8217;re well under
          way. These two major acquisitions in the last few days
          have certainly lightened our load considerably after six
          or eight months of not being able to break the ice
          [01:31] in certain areas. We certainly are delighted with
          these acquisitions.</p>
          <p>Our speaker for this luncheon needs no introduction to
          tobacco people or agriculturalists in this state or in
          the adjoining states, certainly. He appeared on our
          [01:58] last year, at that time as a member of the fourth
          estate rather than on the program specifically, and we
          are very glad to welcome him back today as a member of
          our program as our luncheon speaker. Now Bill Humphries
          is a North Carolinian, of course. He was born in
          Woodsdale, North Carolina, a Wake Forest graduate, and he
          taught in the public schools. He has been the editor of
          newspapers of varying sizes and with the North</p>
          <pb n="Page 2" />
          <p>Carolina Agricultural Extension Service in the years
          right after World War II. Of course he served in the army
          of the United States during World War II, as did a number
          of us [fellows]. He was decorated with the Purple Heart,
          well earned, I&#8217;m certain, has been the recipient of
          awards in the areas of farm education, distinguished
          alumni award from Wake Forest University, his alma mater.
          He&#8217;s president of the Newspaper Farmers Association
          of America and of the North Carolina Farm Writers
          Association over a period of two years there, and was the
          state commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars in 1949,
          1950. Bill over a number of years was co-editor of the
          magazine Tobacco Reporter and contributed to all kinds of
          farm magazines and publications over a period of more
          than twenty years at least. For some twenty years he was
          the farm editor of the Raleigh News &amp; Observer, with
          which we&#8217;re all well acquainted, whether we agree
          with Mr. Daniels&#8217;s paper or whether we don&#8217;t
          on various occasions. Last summer and fall he broke away
          from the newspaper and returned to the academic world, at
          least in part, by joining forces with North Carolina
          State University. At the present time he is the food and
          agricultural news editor for the Department of
          Agricultural Information of the School of Agriculture and
          Life Sciences. As such he is a teacher in part so he does
          some teaching. His big job there is trying to reach the
          urban public as an audience and interpret for them what
          is going on in agriculture. He now has a Sunday feature
          called &#8220;Agra Consumer,&#8221; which he&#8217;s
          working on very diligently. Sounds very impressive,
          doesn&#8217;t it? However I think to all of us that have
          known him over the years, either personally or through
          his writings, he will always be Bill Humphries, farm
          observer. Mr. Humphries. [Applause]</p>
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        <sp who="#name-00000030">
          <speaker>William Humphries</speaker>
          <p>Thank you, Dr. Ellen. Where on earth did you get all
          that information? It&#8217;s more than I knew about
          myself even.</p>
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        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>John Ellen</speaker>
          <p>I must admit there were some mistakes in Who&#8217;s
          Who in the South and Southwest, typographical mistakes.
          I&#8217;m sure they weren&#8217;t yours.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000030">
          <speaker>William Humphries</speaker>
          <p>Ladies and gentlemen, it is a pleasure to be with you,
          to be back with you again this year, and I appreciate the
          opportunity to appear on this program. I will start by
          telling a little story which happens to contain the name
          of a cigarette brand, but that&#8217;s only a
          coincidence. I&#8217;m not trying to promote any
          particular brand. Mr. Robin went out of town on a
          business trip, came home, and looked in the nest and lo
          and behold there was a strange looking egg. He turned to
          Mrs. Robin and said, &#8220;What on earth is going on
          here?&#8221; Mrs. Robin said, &#8220;Nothing to get
          excited about. I just did it for a lark.&#8221;
          [Laughter]</p>
          <p>Anyway, I bring you greetings from the land of the
          Wolfpack, the number one basketball team in the nation.
          [Applause]</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>John Ellen</speaker>
          <p>You didn&#8217;t notice my tie, Bill?</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000030">
          <speaker>William Humphries</speaker>
          <p>That&#8217;s great.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>John Ellen</speaker>
          <p>It says &#8220;number one&#8221; all over it.
          [Laughter]</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000030">
          <speaker>William Humphries</speaker>
          <p>That&#8217;s great. It would look better in red,
          though, John. [Laughter]</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>John Ellen</speaker>
          <p>My eight- and three-year-old daughters gave me that at
          Christmas so I can&#8217;t boast of being a Wolfpack
          supporter, I&#8217;m afraid, at the moment, not with the
          tie anyway.</p>
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        <sp who="#name-00000030">
          <speaker>William Humphries</speaker>
          <p>William Humphries: By way of background, let me say
          that I was born within one hundred yards of a tobacco
          patch on the farm of my parents in Person County, North
          Carolina, in what is known as the Bethel Hill community,
          and I suppose you could call this the cradle of the
          bright belt tobacco industry. This was a part of the old
          bright belt. We could stand in our front yard and look
          northward to the next large hill and see a
          neighbor&#8217;s farm in the state of Virginia. Within a
          few miles were such places as Mayo, Virginia, Hyco,
          Virginia, Cluster Springs, Virginia, and within a radius
          of thirty or forty miles were such well known tobacco
          towns as Roxboro, Oxford, and Durham, as well as Milton,
          all on the Carolina side, and Danville and South Boston
          on the Virginia side of the border. We raised bright leaf
          tobacco, as much as twenty-two acres a year since there
          were six boys in the family, and sold most of it in South
          Boston, Danville, and Roxboro. Well do I remember making
          trips with my father and some of my brothers to take
          loads of tobacco by wagon at night to South Boston about
          fifteen miles away, and of course it took the better part
          of the night to get there and then we had to try to get
          some rest in the warehouse while waiting for sale time to
          come. I don&#8217;t remember the old Tri-state Tobacco
          marketing co-op and its functions but after it ceased
          functioning I do remember distinctly hearing my dad sing
          many times a little ditty, and strangely enough I think
          this is one that even Dr. Tilley missed. I haven&#8217;t
          seen any reference to this anywhere but I remember it so
          vividly and it made such an impression on me at the time
          that I want to share it with you: &#8220;Boll weevils got
          my cotton, corn worms got my corn, co-ops got my money,
          and down the road I&#8217;m gone.&#8221; [Laughter]</p>
          <p>During the harvest years of the big Depression we
          often sold entire loads of tobacco, in fact entire crops,
          for as little as five, six, or seven cents a pound. In
          those</p>
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          <p>days we burned off our plant bed sites each year to
          kill the weed seeds, the insects, and the disease
          organisms in the soil. The blue mold as a disease
          appeared in the early 1930s and thereafter was a constant
          menace, almost creating panic in our community and across
          our part of the state. We transplanted the tender young
          seedlings with short wooden pegs, only six or seven
          inches long, and my back still aches at the memory
          [Laughter] of those days. We used mules in cultivating,
          topped and suckered by hand, and followed the old
          laborious time consuming methods of harvesting. Of course
          we used wood as fuel for curing, and this meant someone
          had to get up several times during the night to keep the
          fires going. If those were the good old days, all I can
          say is that I&#8217;m glad they&#8217;re gone forever.
          [Laughter]</p>
          <p>Sometimes we dusted our tobacco fields to protect the
          crop from insects. Mostly though, we kept the perennial
          horn worms under control by walking the fields and
          inspecting each plant and each leaf, underside and top
          side, for worms. Any that we found were promptly
          destroyed. My father had a simple formula to ensure that
          we inspected each plant thoroughly for worms. He said he
          would spot check behind us and if he found a live worm
          whoever had overlooked the pest would have to eat it.
          [Laughter] As far as I know the threat was never carried
          out but we believed that it might be.</p>
          <p>The 1973 U.S. flue-cured tobacco crop was the first in
          history to bring farmers more than a billion dollars.
          North Carolina growers, who produce about two thirds of
          the nation&#8217;s bright leaf, received a
          record-breaking seven hundred million dollars from their
          sales. Cash receipts by growers in Pitt County alone, the
          county in which Greenville is located and in which
          we&#8217;re meeting today, cash receipts by tobacco
          growers in this county alone last year amounted to forty
          million dollars, a figure unequaled by any other</p>
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          <p>county in the entire bright belt region. It is worth
          noting, I think, that all ten leading bright leaf
          producing counties in the state are in the eastern half
          of North Carolina and most are in the type twelve eastern
          belt. In addition to Pitt the other nine leading counties
          in order are: Johnston County--these are 1973 estimated
          sales figures on the basis of estimates by county
          extension agents--Johnston County, thirty-six million
          dollars; Robeson County, thirty-three point four million;
          Columbus, twenty-nine point three; Wilson, twenty-eight
          million; Nash, twenty-seven point eight; Wake County, in
          which Raleigh is located and which many people think of
          as being an urban county, tobacco farmers in that county
          received twenty-seven million dollars for their crop last
          year; Sampson County, twenty-five point three million
          dollars; Wayne County, twenty-four point eight million;
          and Harnett County, twenty-two point eight million. The
          total for these ten leading counties alone amounted to
          almost two hundred and ninety-five million dollars, and
          that is a heck of a lot of money.</p>
          <p>Sales on the seventeen markets of the eastern belt
          last year exceeded three hundred million dollars in
          value. They approximated, I believe, three hundred and
          twenty million or thereabouts. These markets are Ahoskie,
          Clinton, Durham, Farmville, Goldsboro, Greenville,
          Kinston, Robersonville, Rocky Mount, Smithfield, Tarboro,
          Wallace, Washington, Wendell, Williamston, Wilson, and
          Windsor.</p>
          <p>From the economic standpoint the impact of tobacco on
          North Carolina towns can be summed up in just one word:
          tremendous. Durham and Winston-Salem, as you know, came
          into being as centers of tobacco manufacturing and
          tobacco still contributes heavily to their economic life.
          About twenty years ago a speaker at the North Carolina
          Farm Press Institute in Raleigh made the statement that
          without tobacco Rocky Mount would simply dry up. He could
          have said the same thing about many other towns and
          cities across the coastal plain and in the Carolina
          Piedmont. Tobacco farmers, like city people, spend their
          net profit, if any, or their take-home pay, for such
          things as houses, automobiles, appliances, television
          sets, food, clothing and recreation. In addition though,
          farmers today have heavy capital investments and heavy
          cash operating expenses in producing their crops and
          their livestock. Since 1970 in fact the production
          expenses of the operators of North Carolina&#8217;s one
          hundred and thirty-five thousand farms have exceeded one
          billion dollars a year. Fertilizer and lime alone take
          about a hundred million dollars a year. Seed takes
          twenty-five million. Tractors and equipment, fuel, hired
          labor, taxes, interest on the farm mortgage debt, and
          similar items require a big outflow of dollars from farm
          to city. Not to be overlooked is the fact that tobacco
          provides employment for thousands of seasonal or full
          time workers in processing and manufacturing plants in
          various parts of the state.</p>
          <p>As has already been mentioned about ninety-five
          percent of U.S. bright leaf goes into the manufacture of
          cigarettes. Durham, Greensboro, Reidsville, and
          Winston-Salem are the four cities where cigarettes are
          made in this state and their production represents over
          fifty-five percent of the national output. In just fifty
          years, from 1900 to 1950, the value of tobacco
          commodities in North Carolina at the manufacturer&#8217;s
          level skyrocketed from a mere sixteen million dollars to
          almost one point three billion dollars, and of course
          today the total is much larger. The growth of the tobacco
          industry, as someone has noted, brought wealth, a new
          leisure, and social progress in North Carolina. The
          entire state has been enriched by endowments to
          universities, church organizations, medical schools,
          children&#8217;s homes, and other worthy causes. Over the
          years it has been fairly easy to</p>
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          <p>distinguish the tobacco towns in eastern North
          Carolina because traditionally they have been the ones
          with the finest homes, the finest church buildings, the
          finest hospitals and schools.</p>
          <p>Even in 1973 when cotton prices reached the highest
          level since the Civil War an acre of cotton grossed the
          farmer only about two hundred and fifty dollars or so.
          Although it was a record year also for peanuts the
          per-acre returns from this crop were around four hundred
          and fifty dollars. And what about bright leaf tobacco?
          Last year the average grower received a gross return of
          about eighteen hundred dollars an acre, and many exceeded
          two thousand dollars per acre. To paraphrase a cigarette
          ad of a few years ago, no other major field crop can make
          that statement or equal that record in terms of gross
          dollars per acre.</p>
          <p>Only ten of North Carolina&#8217;s one hundred
          counties do not grow tobacco, either flue-cured or
          burley. In 1960 tobacco accounted for forty-four percent
          of the state&#8217;s total cash farm income. Last year
          the proportion was thirty-one point five percent, but
          this does not mean that tobacco income is slipping, on
          the contrary it set an all-time record, but it does mean
          that farmers of the Tarheel state, by maintaining and
          increasing their tobacco income, have also been expanding
          their other enterprises. Here in Pitt County, for
          example, the value of the corn crop has risen sharply
          from three point six million in 1971 to fourteen point
          seven million dollars last year. Income from hogs in Pitt
          County rose from three point six million dollars two
          years ago to eight and a half million dollars last year.
          Other crop and livestock enterprises also showed gains.
          In fact in 1973 for the first time in many years the
          farmers of Pitt County received more money from other
          enterprises than they did from tobacco even though Pitt
          is the leading tobacco county in</p>
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          <p>the bright leaf area. The totals were forty million
          dollars for tobacco and forty-four point six million from
          other crops and from livestock. To repeat, this is not a
          sign that tobacco is declining but that other enterprises
          are being expanded.</p>
          <p>It is well known that North Carolina is a state of
          small farms, the average farm being only slightly over
          one hundred acres in size compared with the national
          average of about three hundred eighty-five acres. The
          people who originally settled Carolina were not
          aristocratic landed gentry with large plantation
          holdings, as in Tidewater Virginia. Instead they were
          common, everyday people who loved liberty and had an
          independent spirit, and with rare exceptions their
          landholdings were modest. The tobacco acreage allotment
          program, started in the 1930s, tended to reinforce and
          perpetuate the small farm structure of the state&#8217;s
          agriculture. By 1960 the average allotment for bright
          tobacco was only about three and a half acres, and even
          today it is not much larger than that. Beginning in the
          1960s, however, release and transfer of acreage
          allotments from one tobacco farm to another in the same
          county was permitted, first for just one year and later
          for as long as five years. Of the state&#8217;s one
          hundred and fourteen thousand farms holding flue-cured
          tobacco allotments, last year more than fifty-one
          thousand, or about forty-five percent, leased out
          allotments to other farms. Because of lease and transfer
          the average North Carolina tobacco farmer today has an
          operation that is twenty acres or larger in size and the
          size of these operations is going to get bigger and
          bigger as more mechanization is adopted.</p>
          <p>In 1971 there were just three mechanical harvesters in
          use on a commercial basis on North Carolina tobacco
          farms. Last year there were about three hundred and the
          number is expected to approach one thousand by harvest
          time this summer. Bulk curing</p>
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          <p>barns in use were estimated at eighty-eight hundred
          last year and the total this year will exceed ten
          thousand. For many years the labor required to grow and
          harvest bright tobacco amounted to about four hundred and
          forty man hours per acre. That figure has been greatly
          reduced through innovations in transplanting and
          cultivating, use of chemicals to control weeds, grass,
          suckers, and insects, and new harvesting, curing and
          marketing methods. The sewing machine type looper,
          developed in Ontario, gained widespread adoption in the
          late 1960s and early 1970s. The switch during the 1960s
          from marketing in hands or bundles to the loose leaf
          system eliminated the need for as much as thirty-six
          million man hours of labor per year, this just in North
          Carolina alone.</p>
          <p>Largely as a result of these innovations and the
          gradual reduction in tobacco labor needs the number of
          family and hired workers on North Carolina farms has been
          declining over the past fifteen years at the rate of
          sixteen thousand workers a year. Since 1957, in other
          words, nearly a quarter million workers have left Tarheel
          farms, and what has happened to these people? Some have
          migrated to other regions, but many thousands of them
          have remained in the state and found jobs in new
          industries. Many of these new industries in fact have
          been attracted to North Carolina by the large reserve
          supply of trainable labor moving off the state&#8217;s
          tobacco farms, and two notable examples of this right
          here in the Greenville area are the Eaton Corp. and the
          Procter &amp; Gamble potato chip plant. In a sense then
          it can be said that the delay in full mechanization of
          tobacco and the gradual adoption of new technology have
          enabled North Carolina to hold in reserve a supply of
          labor that is increasingly needed for new industries now
          being developed.</p>
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          <p>From the very beginning of the commercial development
          of tobacco by John Rolfe at Jamestown in 1612 tobacco has
          rated high as an export commodity. Today nearly one half
          the annual bright leaf crop is sold abroad either in
          processed strip or leaf form or as manufactured products.
          Without export markets flue-cured growers would have to
          cut back their production by nearly fifty percent. As a
          result these growers are internationalists rather than
          isolationists in their views. They knew about the
          European Common Market long before most American farmers
          or the American public generally knew that anything of
          this nature was taking place on the other side of the
          Atlantic. Thanks largely to the leadership of the late
          J.B. Hudson, president of Tobacco Associates, North
          Carolina tobacco farmers and those in other states were
          kept well informed of developments every step of the way
          as the Common Market came into being and as it became a
          powerful force in the world economic community.</p>
          <p>Tobacco farmers would like to see tariff and other
          barriers to international trade removed or minimized so
          that their commodity, which is so greatly in demand all
          around the globe, can move freely to customers who desire
          it. In this connection many of us who are close to the
          tobacco industry have watched with dismay as the European
          community has adopted increasingly restrictive measures
          discriminating against American tobacco. Tobacco export
          sales are important not only to the growers and the
          exporters and the industry; they make a tremendous
          contribution, several hundred million dollars a year, to
          the favorable side of the nation&#8217;s balance of
          payments position in world trade. Tobacco has helped
          strengthen the dollar abroad and has made it easier for
          us to continue buying Nikon cameras, Sony television
          sets, Volkswagens and Toyotas, and many, many other items
          produced in foreign countries.</p>
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          <p>In conclusion, my hometown newspaper for many years
          featured as its front-page slogan this simple statement:
          Sell your tobacco in Roxboro and we all will be
          benefited. For over three and a half centuries wherever
          tobacco has been sold it has brought economic and other
          benefits. Without the golden leaf, North Carolina, and
          eastern North Carolina in particular, would indeed be a
          poorer region. Thank you. [Applause]</p>
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          <speaker>John Ellen</speaker>
          <p>Bill, thank you very much. We&#8217;ve enjoyed it
          thoroughly. Do you have a few questions? Any questions
          anybody would like to ask? We have just a few minutes.
          [31:53] I think he&#8217;s covered frankly the entire
          industry, as far as statistics are concerned, from the
          [family field] to the [tobacco industry] itself. This is
          all for the program then for the moment. At 2:30 the
          afternoon session will commence in the Allied Health
          Building [32:19]. Thank you very much. [Crowd noise and
          conversation from this point to the end]</p>
        </sp>
        <p>END OF RECORDING</p>
        <p></p>
        <p>Transcriber: Deborah Mitchum</p>
        <p>Date: October 15, 2010</p>
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