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            <cell role="data">SPECIAL COLLECTIONS ORAL HISTORY
            COLLECTION</cell>
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            <cell role="data">ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEW #18</cell>
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            <cell role="data">Dr. Nannie Mae Tilley</cell>
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            <cell role="data">March 27, 1974</cell>
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          <speaker>Fred Ragan</speaker>
          <p>Dr. Nannie Mae Tilley, with all due respect to our
          other distinguished panelists, must stand as the
          world&#8217;s great authority on the history of tobacco.
          Our speaker was born in Durham County. She went to school
          in what I&#8217;m still calling the Women&#8217;s College
          up at Greensboro. She got her MA and PhD from Duke
          University. She taught for some time in the public
          schools and then became professor of history at West
          Carolina Teacher&#8217;s College, back then. In 1940 she
          took over the manuscript division of Duke Library at Duke
          University and she served there for a period of something
          over seven years. Then she accepted a position teaching
          again at East Texas State Teacher&#8217;s College,
          serving as professor there from 1947 until 1958. From
          1950 to 1958 she was head of the department. She has for
          the last decade, or well over a decade now, been working
          on the history of the Reynolds Tobacco Company, a history
          of course that we all look forward to seeing. She is
          certainly a widely known and distinguished publicist.
          Perhaps the best known of her works, undoubtedly the best
          known of her works, is her History of the Bright-Tobacco
          Industry, 1860 to 1929, which</p>
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          <p>of course has become a classic. She retired from East
          Texas and now is residing at Commerce, Texas. It is with
          a great deal of pleasure I present to you Nannie Mae
          Tilley. Dr. Tilley. [Applause]</p>
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          <speaker>Nannie Mae Tilley</speaker>
          <p>Glad to see all the people who are interested in
          tobacco. My subject is the impact of the tobacco industry
          and the Reynolds family on the growth of Winston-Salem. I
          wrote the paper before I knew what the subject was.</p>
          <p>As most Tar Heels know, tobacco has been the major
          influence in the growth and development of Winston-Salem.
          Nearby Salisbury, a much older town than Winston, was on
          the North Carolina Railroad when it began operations in
          1856, but Winston-Salem had no railroad connections until
          1873 when the twenty-eight-mile Salem Branch Line, more
          properly known as the Northwestern North Carolina
          Railroad, was completed to connect with the North
          Carolina Railroad at Greensboro. It was chiefly this
          rickety little rail line that drew R.J. Reynolds to
          Winston in October, 1874. I got that date from a deed.
          That&#8217;s when he bought his first piece of land.
          Other small tobacco manufacturers began to come in about
          the same time. In the intervening 100 years Salisbury,
          without the impetus generated by the tobacco industry,
          has grown into a town of approximately 25,000 while
          Winston-Salem is now a city of some 140,000. Moreover,
          there is little industry in Winston-Salem that was not
          based on capital derived from the tobacco industry.
          Winston-Salem has extensive transportation facilities and
          abundant capital. The Wachovia Bank, with tentacles in
          all areas of the state, grew and developed along with the
          R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company. Reynolds&#8217;s early
          account books abound with records of loans and deposits
          connected with the Wachovia Bank. Reynolds of course was
          not the only important tobacco business in Winston in the
          very early years of the</p>
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          <p>town, just as the Wachovia Bank is not the only bank
          of importance in Winston-Salem today.</p>
          <p>As the R. J. Reynolds tobacco company grew and
          prospered over the years, its impact on Winston-Salem has
          been tremendous. To list the areas affected is virtually
          impossible as they range from transportation facilities
          and labor problems to matters of education and various
          types of community improvements. A few details about the
          Winston of early years renders even more remarkable the
          impact of the tobacco industry on the town. In 1875
          Winston, the county seat of Forsyth County, was entirely
          overshadowed by Salem, and the two in 1877 were described
          as &#8220;two quite small neighboring towns with the
          people poor and depressed from the trials of war and
          reconstruction.&#8221; But in the following year Winston
          contained fifteen independent tobacco factories, some of
          them of minor size, of course, yet at that same time and
          into the 1880s the most important business of the two
          towns lay in the picking and drying of wild blackberries.
          [Laughter] In 1877 the New York Sun carried this
          account:</p>
          <p>The little town of Salem, N.C., containing only about
          2,000 inhabitants, has shipped during three years over
          3,000,000 pounds of dried blackberries for which nearly
          half a million dollars was received.</p>
          <p>For many years R.J. Reynolds experienced great
          difficulty with the absenteeism during the blackberry
          season. One editor in 1907 recalled with nostalgia the
          years when the dried blackberry &#8220;was a power in the
          channels of trade and business.&#8221; These blackberry
          pickers were chiefly whites because virtually no slaves
          had been held in the area of Winston or Salem, and I
          might say I never ran across but one person who had ever
          eaten any of the dried blackberries. They had to be
          soaked in water and then cooked a little. Miss [06:44]
          Taylor at Danbury, North Carolina, who was nearly a
          hundred when</p>
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          <p>she talked with me and who knew just about everything,
          said she had eaten them, and I said, &#8220;Well how did
          they taste?&#8221; She said, &#8220;Well only a very
          little better than nothing.&#8221; [Laughter]</p>
          <p>As the tobacco business grew more and more, Negroes
          were moved into the area to become the nucleus of the
          large black population in Winston-Salem today. When the
          white labor proved inadequate, Reynolds at first drew a
          few blacks, especially from Patrick and Henry Counties in
          Virginia, but his business grew almost beyond his control
          and he became the pioneer in seeking black labor from
          other areas, chiefly from the cotton fields of South
          Carolina. This great influx of black labor came from
          tenant farms of upper South Carolina, especially after
          1899. There was no tobacco business in Winston-Salem
          after 1899 except the Reynolds business. Such a move was
          necessary because white labor was so scarce and
          undependable that foremen often scoured the town and
          countryside in search of labor.</p>
          <p>Charles Hunt, a reliable and judicious black, was sent
          to South Carolina for additional laborers. There,
          apparently in the area south and southeast of Charlotte,
          North Carolina, Hunt rounded up farm tenant families to
          whom five dollars per week seemed like salvation. On his
          first trip he is said to have gathered together a
          trainload of people who then came to Winston in box cars.
          They were lined up on Fifth Street to be examined by
          foremen who hired them in groups without reference to pay
          or the nature of the work to be done. Many of these South
          Carolinians proved to be excellent laborers and happy in
          their newfound prosperity sent home for their relatives
          and neighbors to join them. South Carolina officers came
          to some workers who had contracted to make a crop before
          coming to Winston-Salem. These South Carolina blacks for
          many years could be</p>
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          <p>distinguished from others by their references to
          barrels of tobacco and to Reynolds tobacco mill,
          nomenclature brought to the area by the term cotton mill
          as the only indication of industrial work.</p>
          <p>For many years these workers were generally hired at
          the standard rate of five dollars per week, though they
          often received less because they were employed with the
          understanding that they were to be paid only when work
          was available. Often a man made little more than three
          dollars per week. Of course husband, wife, and often
          children worked for Reynolds. Since they could have
          gardens and livestock in the rural confines of the
          Winston-Salem of that day they were able to subsist. No
          doubt these blacks who left tenant farming in upper South
          Carolina fared as well if not better in the factories of
          R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company than in the cotton fields
          of upper South Carolina. With the lapse of years, many of
          these totally unskilled laborers who generally removed
          the mid rib of tobacco leaves--stemmers, they were
          called--became handlers of machinery. The great amount of
          hand work necessary until the 1940s gave rise to the
          statement frequently heard in Winston-Salem, namely that
          if Reynolds&#8217;s present volume of production required
          laborers on the same scale as in the early years, the
          town would be as large as Chicago.</p>
          <p>No doubt the great prosperity of the R.J. Reynolds
          Tobacco Company and the large number of hard-pressed
          South Carolina blacks are responsible for the general
          belief that Winston-Salem consists of Negroes and
          millionaires. That may be a little out of style now; I
          don&#8217;t know. It was largely through these blacks
          that the great attempt at the organization of labor
          produced a riotous spirit, roughly from 1943 until 1953.
          Organized labor in its strongest and often near violent
          form was thus introduced to Winston-Salem</p>
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          <p>by the tobacco industry and its leaders at first
          reacted in the usual manner of southern employers. Other
          factors than wages entered into this labor turbulence,
          though essentially it was a part of the grim struggle of
          American labor to maintain its war-time level of wages.
          Intertwined with the question of wages was a neglect of
          civic matters during ten years of depression followed by
          five years of war. There was also poverty and ignorance
          among the workers at the Reynolds factory, especially
          among the blacks. Only one high school existed in the
          city. Incidentally, it was the R.J. Reynolds High School,
          which was conveniently located for the well-to-do.
          Nevertheless, there had been little before the decade
          from 1943 to &#8217;53 in the way of disputes involving
          labor.</p>
          <p>From 1916 through 1919 wages had increased at a
          regular annual rate from the standard five dollars per
          week, but in 1921 there came a drop of twenty percent,
          which was a reduction from wartime wages. A rather
          vigorous effort followed to organize the black workers
          and white workers separately. Considerable smoke arose
          from this move, but no essential progress was made in the
          organization of the R.J. Reynolds tobacco workers until
          the 1940s. Early in 1942 and later, three different
          unions began efforts to organize the Reynolds employees,
          including what came to be known as the communist-
          dominated Local 22 of the CIO. I didn&#8217;t believe it
          was communist dominated at first, but it was. There was a
          right-wing division of the CIO and the dignified Tobacco
          Workers International Union. The activities gave rise to
          a company union known as the R.J. Reynolds Employees
          Association, Inc., which was chartered on October 20,
          1943. It was never called a company union, but it was.
          There eventually rose a new ally for the company union
          known as the Citizens Emergency Committee.</p>
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          <p>
            <p>For some time no success met these efforts to
            organize the workers, though very early in 1942 the
            Rev. Owen Whitfield, a black minister, arrived in town
            to prepare the groundwork for the entry of Local 22.
            Whitfield appears to have made the acquaintance of
            several Negro ministers, including the Rev. Robert M.
            Pitts, pastor of Shiloh Baptist Church, who was known
            as the greatest pulpit orator among the ministers of
            Winston-Salem. Whitfield, said to be on the union
            payroll and abundantly supplied with funds, had come to
            study the Reynolds plant. Evidently shrewd and capable,
            he laid the basis for an organization drive influencing
            Pitts and other black ministers and leaders to organize
            their congregations, which contained many Reynolds
            employees. Later regular organizers came to town and
            many white workers became interested in the drive.</p>
            <p>No notable success accompanied the work of either
            group until Thursday, June 17, 1943, when suddenly and
            dramatically the movement caught fire. At lunchtime on
            that day James Pickens McCarter, a Negro job hand who
            had served as draft boy or truck pusher since June 26,
            1927, suddenly fell dead. Some of McCarter&#8217;s
            fellow workers in Number 65 claimed that his death had
            resulted from poor working conditions and an unbearable
            increase in his work load. Meanwhile, Donald Henderson,
            president of the division of the CIO which included
            Local 22, announced to the communist Daily Worker that
            Reynolds employees were flocking into the union since
            the stoppage of work on June 17, &#8220;stoppage for
            which even the company admits the union was in no way
            responsible.&#8221;</p>
            <p>Whatever the exact cause of McCarter&#8217;s death
            may have been, Local 22 until that time had made no
            progress against the Tobacco Workers International
            Union. In the afternoon of the day of McCarter&#8217;s
            death, a sit-down strike began in Number 65, rapidly
            spreading to other buildings and departments.
            Sympathetic walkouts on a small scale</p>
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            <p>occurred in the plants of other companies in town.
            The walkout at Reynolds included especially workers in
            the leaf processing areas where unskilled hand labor
            prevailed. This move to organize workers in this area
            greatly expedited mechanical inventions, which soon
            rendered hand stemming of leaf obsolete, thereby
            reducing the number of unskilled laborers needed. The
            newly started strip preparation department had been
            contemplated for a number of years, but was delayed by
            scarcity of materials during the war. The drastic
            effect of this change is reflected in the
            company&#8217;s reduction of hand stemmers from 3,533
            in July 1944, to 1,416 in February 1948. This, then,
            was the scene which made for ten years of labor strikes
            theretofore unknown in Winston-Salem. Significantly,
            the body of James Pickens McCarter was carried back to
            South Carolina for burial.</p>
            <p>Throughout the succeeding decade there was almost
            constant turmoil, though it was especially strong for
            long periods, especially when new contracts were being
            negotiated. There was marching, singing, and speaking
            by the workers, conflict with police, work stoppages,
            constant elections, an appeal to the National Labor
            Relations Board, which established a full fledged
            office in town. The company appeared to be adamant and
            Local 22 increasingly contentious. At one time a large
            delegation of representatives from Local 22 invaded the
            office of John C. Whitaker, then vice president of the
            company.</p>
            <p>Finally on April 30, 1948, after Local 22 had been
            shown beyond a doubt to be dominated by communist
            leadership, and a few hours before expiration of the
            fourth contract, the members of Local 22, carrying
            placards and chanting, &#8220;We want a
            contract,&#8221; marched outside the R.J. Reynolds
            office building. Crowds on Fourth Street sang,</p>
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            <p>&#8220;Solidarity Forever.&#8221; Later two Negro
            officials of Local 22, Robert Black and Velma Hopkins,
            set up an amplifying system behind the Reynolds office
            building while members of Local 22 jammed the
            sidewalks. Velma Hopkins, with a newfound ability to
            sway a crowd, took over, declaring to the assembled
            workers in the words of Karl Marx: &#8220;You
            don&#8217;t have a thing to lose but your
            chains.&#8221; She said further:</p>
            <p>Who built these great factories here? We did. Our
            mothers and fathers did, working here for ten or
            fifteen cents an hour. That&#8217;s the reason
            we&#8217;re uneducated and living in slums. R. J.
            Reynolds workers are living there. We are only asking
            to be treated fair, that those working in seasonal
            plants be able to draw their unemployment
            compensation.</p>
            <p></p>
            <p>Organizing activities were stepped up and an
            election ordered by the National Labor Relations Board
            for March 8, 1950, was held between the four groups of
            workers. The outcome was inconclusive, but many were
            surprised at the strength of Local 22. It was said to
            be the largest labor election ever held in the state
            but not in the South.</p>
            <p>Prior to the runoff election on March 23, 1950, the
            Rev. Kenneth R. Williams, an alderman who owed his
            election to Local 22, disavowed Local 22 by expressing
            hope that the people of Winston-Salem would &#8220;come
            to their senses and send the communists away for
            good.&#8221; Williams, the first black alderman of
            Winston-Salem, later became president of Winston-Salem
            Teacher&#8217;s College, thus showing that his career
            was not harmed by his stand.</p>
            <p>The runoff election was again inconclusive, with the
            ballots included in 133 challenged votes. In the end,
            Local 22 lost by only 66 votes. Shortly thereafter, the
            company announced another increase in wages and soon
            began a program of self examination which resulted in a
            strengthened personnel department, a softening of the
            attitude of foremen, or supervisors as they came to be
            called, and by 1952 a plan for</p>
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            <p>desegregated workers. These moves, one suspects,
            came from the influence of Charles B. Wade, who has
            more of the outlook of R. J. Reynolds than any director
            met by this speaker. By 1962 there were five black
            inspectors in the new Whitaker Park complex. As one
            employee in Number 65 analyzed the years of turbulence,
            &#8220;It was Local 22 that made Christians out of the
            Reynolds bosses.&#8221; Apparently the company change
            represented a genuine shift in policy made possible by
            the rare common sense of John C. Whitaker, who suddenly
            forgot his anger and began to advocate the very reforms
            which Local 22 had demanded.</p>
            <p>No South Carolina blacks could easily have reached
            Winston-Salem during the early years of the twentieth
            century without rail transportation. Neither could
            tobacco products be handled adequately without such
            transportation. It is doubtful that securing such
            facilities was more dramatically accomplished anywhere
            in the state than in Winston-Salem. The tobacco
            industry had no hand in building the Salem Branch Line,
            the town&#8217;s first rail connection. This new rail
            line, on the other hand, enticed the tobacco industry
            to Winston-Salem. The line to Greensboro was graded and
            made ready for laying the track under Salem initiative
            led by Edward F. Belo [21:47], but unfortunately his
            company fell into bankruptcy before the tracks could be
            laid. The line was then bought by the Richmond and
            Danville rail system, which sought to dominate North
            Carolina shipping. It was finished, but Winston-Salem
            manufacturers despised its excessive rates and rough
            handling of their products. Moreover, connection with
            the Richmond and Danville system gave them no
            opportunity to reach the Midwest.</p>
            <p>Winston tobacconers then began an intensive drive to
            secure connections with the Norfolk and Western Railway
            by way of Martinsville to Roanoke, Virginia, after
            the</p>
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            <p>Richmond and Danville had successfully blocked all
            their efforts to secure connections with the Baltimore
            and Ohio. (There were a lot of shenanigans in that
            effort. It tempted me greatly but I knew I had to move
            on.) R. J. Reynolds took the lead in this move, which
            began about 1885, though other tobacco manufacturers of
            Winston were included in the pledge of $150,000 to
            build that portion of the road falling in Forsyth
            County. After delays of one kind and another, including
            the dissolution of partnership in one of the chief
            contractors, R. J. Reynolds attended a meeting in
            Danville in March 1888, after which it was announced
            that a new company had been formed for building the
            road from Winston to Roanoke. Additional funds were
            needed and a drive was started to persuade people along
            the projected route to vote funds for that purpose.</p>
            <p>At a rally in Walnut Cove, which lay in Sauratown
            Township in Stokes County, on June 9, 1888, Reynolds,
            despite his propensity for stammering, made a speech
            favoring bonds for the rail lines which was summarized
            in a local paper as follows:</p>
            <p>One of the most level-headed reasons urged in favor
            of voting the subscription for bonds, and one we feel
            should be put on record because of its general
            application to our southern section of the Roanoke and
            Southern, was made by R. J. Reynolds, Esq. By the way,
            a most level- headed man, too, is he. It was thus:
            &#8220;Twenty years ago, soon after the war, Northern
            capitalists invested largely in Western railroads. At
            the same time they advertised by flaming posters, write
            ups, and every effective way possible throughout the
            South and North, attracting all immigrants and
            thousands of people from every section so that for
            fifteen years the whole tide of immigration flowed
            westward. The result was the upbuilding of immense
            cities with overflowing populations and the phenomenal
            growth of the whole section and an increase in railroad
            lines that not only brought immense worth to their
            owners but placed their bonds at a premium. Today the
            situation is changed. Northern capitalists are turning
            their attention southward and are seeing investments
            here.&#8221; If this same ratio in this direction is
            kept up for thirty years as marked the last two, Mr.
            Reynolds argued that the bonds voted by the people of
            Sauratown Township would be worth dollar for dollar and
            the investment regarded as a paying one.</p>
          </p>
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          <p>
            <p>That&#8217;s the end of the quotation from the Union
            Republican.</p>
            <p>Thus with bonds voted by the people, convict labor
            from North Carolina and Virginia, and by hook and crook
            the road was built. Just prior to its completion the
            Richmond and Danville forces working by moonlight laid
            a side track which threatened to eliminate a portion of
            the oncoming Roanoke and Southern. This was a trick
            frequently used by the Richmond and Danville system. By
            swift action, however, the Forsyth County commissioners
            settled the dispute and Reynolds, the Haneses, and
            others built new and larger tobacco factories.</p>
            <p>In detail the story of the construction of the rail
            line from Roanoke to Winston is extremely interesting
            as a success story, but in no way is it as interesting
            as Reynolds&#8217;s unsuccessful attempt to block J.
            Pierpont Morgan when he attained control of the hated
            Richmond and Danville system after the Panic of 1893.
            Morgan interests began efforts to organize a Southern
            railway with the Richmond and Danville system as the
            nucleus. To do so they needed the state-owned North
            Carolina Railroad, which curved across the state from
            Goldsboro by way of Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro,
            Salisbury, and Charlotte. This road had in a devious
            way been leased to the Richmond and Danville system.
            With a Republican governor in office and the populist
            movement in full swing, time came to consider renewing
            the lease, this time to the Southern Railway, for
            ninety-nine years. This was done. Reynolds, of course,
            wanted to force the main line of the Southern to come
            through Winston over the old Salem Branch Line and a
            road leading southward then under construction.
            Reynolds, backed and praised on the front pages of the
            Raleigh News &amp; Observer by Josephus Daniels, fought
            for annulment of the lease of the North Carolina
            Railroad to the Southern Railway.</p>
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            <p>This struggle overshadowed any other news in the
            state and is replete with sharp and amusing moves which
            we must omit here. The Seaboard Air Line Railway
            entered the struggle, offering to pay more for a lease
            of the North Carolina Railroad than the Southern had
            agreed to, and in several moves Reynolds then offered
            to buy control of the North Carolina Railroad or to
            lease it at a higher figure than the Southern had
            offered. Josephus Daniels praised Reynolds as a friend
            of the people who had not hesitated to put up a
            financial fight against the wealthiest financier of the
            nation, referred to by the editor as &#8220;Rothschild
            Pierpont and Co.&#8221; Reynolds lost the fight, but
            for quite some time it appeared that he might win.
            Reynolds carried on this struggle well before he was
            forced into the American Tobacco Company.</p>
            <p>Reynolds sent Josephus Daniels a check for $100 to
            use in traveling around the state, because the Richmond
            and Danville system had cancelled his free ride that
            most press people got. When I found the copy of the
            check pictured in the News &amp; Observer I had a
            picture of it made and sent to Jonathan Daniels and
            told him to come on over and get his money. The check
            had never been cashed, and so on. He wrote back that
            he&#8217;d be there with a truck. [Laughter]</p>
            <p>Winston did not get on the main line of the Southern
            Railway, but this speaker has heard strange hints that
            some of Reynolds&#8217;s methods may have been utilized
            in forcing Interstate 40 through Winston-Salem. This
            cannot be substantiated, but Winston-Salem is on
            Interstate Highway 40 and Reynolds&#8217;s great fleet
            of trucks carries immense loads of raw leaf into town
            and takes out immense loads of manufactured tobacco
            products. Had there been no impact of the tobacco
            industry on Winston-Salem it is doubtful that
            Interstate Highway 40 would have its present route. I
            do not wish to claim everything in</p>
            <pb n="Page 14" />
            <p>the way of improvements in transportation for R. J.
            Reynolds, but it is significant that he served as
            supervisor of roads in Winston Township at least from
            1886 until 1890.</p>
            <p>The direct effect of the tobacco industry on the
            social, cultural, and charitable institutions of
            Winston-Salem has been far reaching and perhaps not
            dreamed of when R. J. Reynolds made his reputation
            statewide for fighting the Morgan interests. Reynolds
            himself is not the main character in influencing social
            betterment and cultural improvements in Winston-Salem,
            but as usual he set the pace in a surprising way and at
            an early period. Perhaps one of his most surprising
            moves lay in his 1916 plans to make better housing
            available to his employees, both white and black. This
            move was uncanny in its resemblance to federal housing
            plans of the present era, a move that had it been
            adopted generally then might have prevented some of our
            current problems.</p>
            <p>Apparently his first aim was to furnish relief for
            his black employees. In furtherance of his plans, the
            company proceeded with Reynolds&#8217;s purchase of
            eighty-four acres of land stretching from near his
            factories into East Winston. To this acreage Reynolds
            had added a number of additional lots. He planned to
            grade this area and build homes to be leased or sold to
            his employees, both black and white. He died before
            these plans could be fulfilled, but his successors
            carried them out in a halfhearted manner, doing nothing
            in the end to expand this badly needed program. Some
            100 houses were built on this land, which the company
            drained and provided with sidewalks, sewage
            connections, and electric facilities. These houses were
            at first leased to employees at six percent on
            condition that they be properly maintained. Later they
            were sold at the same rate with the proviso that the
            rent already paid should become a down payment and that
            the property continue to be maintained. This area
            included [31:49] Avenue, occupied by</p>
            <pb n="Page 15" />
            <p>the blacks, and Cameron Avenue, where white
            employees lived. The houses varied in price from $3,000
            to 4,000, with fifteen years allowed for payment. They
            remain in use today and are still well kept, reflecting
            a certain steadiness of character. This generous move
            has not been forgotten in Winston-Salem and many
            children of those who purchased these houses occupy
            them today.</p>
            <p>Again Reynolds set the pace for interest in
            education and social betterment in 1891, when he needed
            all the funds he could muster for his new brick
            factory. When Simon Green Atkins appeared before the
            local board of trade on January 30, 1891, to request
            assistance for establishing a Negro college in
            Winston-Salem chiefly by means of state aid, the matter
            was discussed and a committee appointed, such action
            usually being tantamount to refusal. Previously Negro
            citizens had managed to raise $2,000 of $2,500
            necessary to get action from the state legislature.
            When, as might have been expected, no report came from
            the committee and the board of trade, R.J. Reynolds
            personally contributed the needed $500, thus making
            possible the Slater Industrial and State Normal School,
            which over the years has grown into Winston-Salem State
            University, an institution which has been of great
            importance in uplifting the life of the Negro in North
            Carolina. Again, as with his efforts to provide better
            housing, he sought to help those who could do little to
            help themselves. Another such move came in 1899 when he
            gave $5,000 for establishing a hospital and nurses
            training department in connection with the Slater
            Industrial and State Normal School.</p>
            <p>Other white citizens of Winston-Salem thought to
            help educate the blacks, one being William A. Blair,
            who wrote an official of the Southern Education Board
            about this</p>
            <pb n="Page 16" />
            <p>matter in terms which clearly establish Reynolds as
            a genuine humanitarian interested in the uplift of
            mankind. Blair wrote as follows on November 25,
            1899:</p>
            <p>In connection with our work for the proper training
            of the colored people here I&#8217;m sure you will be
            glad to hear that one of our citizens, Mr. R. J.
            Reynolds, who has not appeared to take much interest in
            the work which we have been attempting to do, has been
            observing it in a quiet and careful way without our
            knowledge, and now he comes to us and offers a cash
            donation of $5,000 provided we will raise a like amount
            to establish a hospital for colored people and a
            training school for colored nurses in connection with
            our school.</p>
            <p>Many such gifts far too numerous to mention were
            made by Reynolds. In fact, his personal contributions
            continued until he was on his death bed when he made a
            [34:51] will and was described by his witnesses as
            &#8220;in bed, propped up with a pillow, ill, feeble in
            body, but mind sound and clear.&#8221; Then he
            requested that his estate pay for additions to both
            Negro and white sections of the Twin City Hospital, a
            sum amounting to almost a quarter of a million
            dollars.</p>
            <p>I could continue with a long list of gifts which
            Reynolds made in an effort to improve the quality of
            life in Winston-Salem and in other places in the state.
            Suffice it to say he made no gift for show or for
            lessening his tax load. It should be noted that during
            Reynolds&#8217;s lifetime money did not pour into
            Winston-Salem from the sales of Prince Albert and
            Camels in such volume as it did in later years.</p>
            <p>Reynolds&#8217;s work was continued by his wife,
            Katherine Smith Reynolds, in the following such items
            as a well-endowed chair of biology at Davidson College.
            She also gave $50,000 for the purchase of a site on
            which to build a high school and erected the handsome
            R. J. Reynolds Auditorium, both as personal memorials
            to him. Perhaps in the long run the R. J. Reynolds High
            School proved as valuable as any of the contributions
            inspired by Reynolds. Those who have administered it
            have been true to the motives</p>
            <pb n="Page 17" />
            <p>which led to its establishment, so true that some
            forty years after its doors were first opened the
            students won more National Merit scholarships than did
            students from any other single high school in the
            United States. R. J. Reynolds High School has long been
            regarded as perhaps the best in North Carolina.</p>
            <p>William Neal Reynolds, the brother and beneficiary
            of the business acumen of R. J. Reynolds, also gave
            generously to many institutions which benefited
            Winston-Salem and its inhabitants, though he also aided
            many projects that benefited the state as a whole. He
            and his wife gave funds for erecting the Louisa Wilson
            Bitting Dormitory at Salem College. They also gave
            $20,000 toward a fund for a new hospital for whites and
            additional funds for a hospital for Negroes, the latter
            named the Kate Bitting Memorial Hospital but familiarly
            known among its patrons as the &#8220;Katie B.&#8221;
            Kate Bitting Reynolds left an estate of $8,000,000,
            $5,000,000 of which she placed in a perpetual trust
            fund with the income to go to the poor and needy of
            Winston-Salem and Forsyth County. Extensive gifts to
            North Carolina State University by William Neal
            Reynolds furnished a considerable indirect impact on
            Winston-Salem because of the great number of its
            graduates employed by the R. J. Reynolds Tobacco
            Company.</p>
            <p>Time permits only a brief summary of the monumental
            efforts of the four children of Richard Joshua Reynolds
            to follow his example in providing funds for civic and
            educational advancement in Winston-Salem. They, too,
            donated much to statewide projects which affected
            Winston-Salem. In 1948 Richard Joshua Reynolds, Jr.
            made a notable gift of $100,000 for purchasing the site
            for building the public library of Winston-Salem and
            Forsyth County. In addition, this gift to the library
            was followed by another of $250,000 from other members
            of the Reynolds family. This speaker because</p>
            <pb n="Page 18" />
            <p>of countless hours spent in this library can attest
            to its great importance in the cultural life of
            Winston-Salem.</p>
            <p>Mary Reynolds Babcock, the elder daughter of R. J.
            Reynolds, and her husband Charles H. Babcock, donated
            300 acres of valuable land within the city limits of
            Winston-Salem as a site for the campus of Wake Forest
            College as well as numerous other items needed by the
            college. The Z. Smith Reynolds Foundation under the
            leadership of the Reynolds family contributed heavily
            to other causes affecting the city and the state,
            including $100,000 to be used with other available
            funds for a statewide campaign against venereal
            diseases, other funds for building an airport, giving
            further support to Wake Forest College and other
            ventures too numerous to list. It should be noted that
            Mary Reynolds Babcock in her relatively short life gave
            a total of $7,000,000 to civic, educational, artistic,
            and charitable projects which directly affected the
            Winston-Salem community.</p>
            <p>The Gray family, which succeeded R. J. Reynolds in
            the lucrative leadership of the company, came belatedly
            to follow the example of the Reynolds family in the way
            of donations for the improvement of life in
            Winston-Salem. A gift in 1928 by Bowman Gray, Sr. and
            his wife consisted of 242 feet of valuable real estate
            for the new Centenary Methodist Church on Fifth Street.
            Nine years later the same family contributed $100,000
            to match funds of the WPA for use in building the Gray
            Memorial Stadium, which is owned by the city of
            Winston-Salem. In 1939 came a notable gift of $750,000
            from the Bowman Gray Foundation as a nucleus of
            building the Bowman Gray School of Medicine, in reality
            a branch of Wake Forest College. The Gray family poured
            more funds and property into this medical school, which
            with federal funds and eventual aid</p>
            <pb n="Page 19" />
            <p>from the Ford Foundation reached a secure position.
            In addition, the James A. Gray Endowment Fund provided
            $1,700,000 [40:38] to the Methodist College of North
            Carolina, though substantial funds went to other
            colleges, including Winston-Salem State College, now
            Winston-Salem State University.</p>
            <p>Perhaps the most notable contribution to the
            cultural improvement of the city lay in the removal of
            Wake Forest itself from eastern North Carolina to
            Winston-Salem. This was a cooperative effort which
            involved R. J. Reynolds Tobacco Company, many
            individuals and institutions, all based on tobacco
            money. Mary Reynolds Babcock gave generously to this
            move as did the Gray family. A recurring annual gift of
            income from $10,000,000 of the Z. Smith Reynolds
            Foundation was made available to the North Carolina
            Baptist Convention on condition that Wake Forest be
            moved to Winston-Salem. In 1959 the same foundation, in
            addition to its annual gift, provided $750,000 for the
            college for the construction of a dormitory. Moving
            this liberal arts college to Winston-Salem involved
            many people, though the great burden was properly borne
            by the Reynoldses and Grays.</p>
            <p>Aid for the upbuilding of the city&#8217;s cultural
            institutions also came directly from the R. J. Reynolds
            Tobacco Company, though at first somewhat reluctantly.
            Only the force of R. J. Reynolds caused a corporate
            donation of $10,000 to the local YWCA in 1917 on the
            grounds that some employees of the company were
            frequently able to secure living quarters in the YWCA
            and that these accommodations generally help &#8220;to
            uplift and strengthen the character of such
            employees.&#8221; These are the words of R. J. Reynolds
            himself. On the whole, however, corporate donations
            amounted to very little until the 1940s, though there
            had been many earlier donations from many individuals
            who had</p>
            <pb n="Page 20" />
            <p>profited from the operations of the company, so many
            in fact that they can only be hinted at here.</p>
            <p>By 1940 the directors seemed inclined to aid
            substantially in community development despite
            something of a fear of their stockholders. Plans for
            building the Winston-Salem and Forsyth County Hospital,
            which came to a head in 1945, furnishes a somewhat
            canny arrangement. A thorough discussion of the matter
            came on December 13, 1940. Finally Robert E. Lassiter
            moved that if a contribution were made that it be set
            at $600,000. This move was adopted because of two
            factors. The company then paid forty percent of the
            property taxes levied by Winston-Salem and Forsyth
            County and the city had just authorized a bond election
            of $1,500,000 for the hospital. Furthermore, a
            considerable sum had been raised by subscription and
            since forty percent of the bond issue is exactly
            $600,000, the company naturally preferred that method
            rather than a bond issue. The directors of course voted
            for the donation. Other small corporate donations
            followed. The company agreed to give $150,000 for the
            War Memorial Coliseum, provided that $600,000 could be
            raised from other sources. At a dinner meeting to
            announce this gift, S. Clay Williams, then chairman of
            the executive committee, declared: &#8220;I am
            reluctant to stand and acknowledge applause because
            this is a gift of more than 62,000 stockholders in R.J.
            Reynolds Tobacco Company.&#8221;</p>
            <p>After 1949 the company, influenced perhaps by labor
            disorders, became bold in making donations for
            community development and several fairly large
            contributions were made before 1953. I might add that
            there was a settlement of a suit involving the gift of
            a corporation to Princeton University which gave them
            the right to make the donations, which helped to
            continue that work. From 1953 to 1959, as prime movers
            for bringing</p>
            <pb n="Page 21" />
            <p>Wake Forest College to Winston-Salem and building up
            the Bowman Gray School of Medicine, the company
            contributed more than $1,500,000. Other donations
            became so frequent and so large that a special
            committee was established for handling corporate
            gifts.</p>
            <p>Any attempt to measure the impact of the tobacco
            industry on Winston-Salem must be largely subjective.
            There are many more opportunities in the city now than
            those involving the picking and drying of blackberries
            and many more than those involving employment by the R.
            J. Reynolds Tobacco Company. Winston-Salem has lost
            much of its provincialism, if for no other reason than
            by the frequent visitors from France, Sweden, England
            or Germany who came to sell or install elaborate
            machinery for the manufacture of tobacco. Education is
            readily available even into medicine and law. It may be
            significant also that the citizens in Winston-Salem in
            some manner secured the location of the North Carolina
            School of the Arts. I always considered the great
            number of Sunday New York Times sold in the city to be
            of some import: a truckload at the Robert E. Lee
            Hotel--I don&#8217;t know what took the place of the
            Robert E. Lee because it&#8217;s been
            destroyed--another truckload at a drugstore where I got
            my copy, and a third truckload at Wake Forest College,
            which is now Wake Forest University. As an aspiring
            tobacconist seeking to build up a business in
            Greensboro said in the 1890s, &#8220;Of course we
            should be able to do what those horny-handed sons of
            toil have done in Winston.&#8221; [Applause]</p>
            <sp who="#name-00000029">
              <speaker>Fred Ragan</speaker>
              <p>I&#8217;m sure that Dr. Tilley would be delighted
              to entertain any questions the audience may have.
              [Pause] Are there any questions?</p>
            </sp>
            <sp who="#name-00000031">
              <speaker>Questioner One</speaker>
              <p>When did those [46:55] begin, Dr. Tilley? I missed
              that.</p>
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          <p>
            <sp who="#name-00000030">
              <speaker>Nannie Mae Tilley</speaker>
              <p>Well if you want to consider--if you want to
              compare them to the Dukes, that&#8217;s--. [Laughter]
              The earliest record that I have of anything that R.
              J. Reynolds gave was 1891. There were little things
              along the way [47:14].</p>
            </sp>
            <p>END OF RECORDING</p>
            <p>Transcriber: Deborah Mitchum</p>
            <p>Date: October 11, 2010</p>
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