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            <cell role="data">SPECIAL COLLECTIONS ORAL HISTORY
            COLLECTION</cell>
          </row>
          <row>
            <cell role="data">ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEW #18</cell>
          </row>
          <row>
            <cell role="data">Dr. G. Melvin Herndon</cell>
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          <row>
            <cell role="data">Department of History at the
            University of Georgia</cell>
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            <cell role="data">March 27, 1974</cell>
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          <speaker>Fred Ragan</speaker>
          <p>Fred Ragan: To begin the second part of our morning
          program, without any intent of playing upon towns, as it
          may be, or trying to make a pun, our second speaker comes
          from that successful town across the river, Danville.
          [Laughter] Professor Herndon was born in Danville,
          received his education in various schools in Virginia,
          receiving his PhD at the University of Virginia.
          He&#8217;s been a visiting professor at the University of
          Virginia, is an associate professor at the University of
          Georgia. He&#8217;s written quite extensively on colonial
          history, tobacco in colonial Virginia, a number of
          articles in agricultural journals, the North Carolina
          Historical Review, and recently published William Tatham
          and the Culture of Tobacco. His topic today is a very
          interesting sounding one at any</p>
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          <p>rate: &#8220;Clay and Fig, Snuffbox, Chaws, Stogie,
          Makings and Tailor-Made: The Impact of Changing Modes of
          Tobacco Consumption on Tobacco Culture.&#8221; Professor
          Herndon.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000030">
          <speaker>G. Melvin Herndon</speaker>
          <p>G. Melvin Herndon: They ran me out of that successful
          town in 1951. I left Athens in somewhat of a hurry and
          when I finally arrived at the Atlanta airport, after
          fighting traffic for better than an hour, I rushed up to
          the information desk and asked the lady where a restroom
          was, and she thought I said &#8220;restaurant&#8221; and
          she replied, &#8220;If you want to sit down there&#8217;s
          one around the corner. [Laughter] If you don&#8217;t mind
          standing up there&#8217;s one in the main lobby.&#8221;
          Now I&#8217;ll try to enunciate a little more clearly to
          make myself perfectly clear, to coin an original
          phrase.</p>
          <p>I have several themes, I think, the major one being
          the profound impact of the changing methods of tobacco
          consumption on the tobacco industry, and I&#8217;m going
          to sweep from the colonial period to the present. Nowhere
          is this theme more conspicuous than here in North
          Carolina, including its impact on numerous of her towns.
          In broader historical perspective--being a historian I
          thought I should throw this in--in many respects the
          changes in method of consumption symbolize the growth and
          development of the United States from a society that was
          ninety percent agrarian in the days following the
          Revolution to the urbanized, industrialized society of
          today, which includes, I might add, one of the first
          recorded incidents of streaking, [Laughter] which I shall
          document.</p>
          <p>At the time of the American Revolution tobacco was an
          important commercial staple in only three colonies,
          Maryland, Virginia, and North Carolina, with a total
          annual production of a little over 100,000,000 pounds.
          Tobacco production in some twenty states has now reached
          about 2,000,000,000 pounds annually. In 1775 all American
          tobacco tended to be classified as Orinoco by warehouse
          inspectors. Today there are I</p>
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          <p>believe twenty-six different types. The trend towards
          the development of distinct types of American tobacco was
          due to several factors: the spread of tobacco culture to
          new soil types, the inevitable hybridization, and the
          development of three distinct curing methods. The soils
          west of the mountains and north of the Mason Dixon Line
          simply did not and will not produce bright tobacco.
          Hybridization was at work long before selected plant
          breeding. Most of the types that existed by the Civil War
          era can be traced back to John Rolfe&#8217;s successful
          experimentation at Jamestown.</p>
          <p>Throughout the colonial era, tobacco is air cured,
          though by the end of the period small open wood fires on
          the earthen floors of tobacco barns to drive out
          excessive moisture or to hasten the curing process were
          in use. When tobacco culture was carried into Tennessee
          and Kentucky, some farmers air cured their tobacco, some
          with open fires, and others used a combination of the
          two. Rather early in the nineteenth century the European
          export market began to show a preference for the smoky
          flavored leaf produced by curing with open wood fires.
          Fire curing soon became the most common method of curing
          in the Hopkinsville, Clarksville, Paducah, and Maysville
          area. By the time white burley emerged, domestic demand,
          which objected to the smoky flavor, caused a reversal to
          air curing in some areas.</p>
          <p>Meanwhile back in the old Virginia, Carolina belt two
          developments were taking place which resulted in the
          emergence of the bright tobacco belt: the expansion of
          the tobacco culture into the light gray poor soils of the
          Piedmont and a third curing method. Objection to the
          smoky flavored leaf resulted in a switch to the use of
          charcoal. The story of the incident on the Slade farm in
          Caswell County, which produced a barn of bright tobacco,
          is a familiar story and need not be retold here. Although
          open charcoal</p>
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          <p>fires continued to be the most common method of curing
          bright tobacco until after the Civil War, flue curing
          systems were being developed and their use spread rapidly
          after the cessation of hostilities.</p>
          <p>By the time of the American Revolution, then, there
          was only one type of tobacco, Orinoco. It had been
          consumed by the colonials primarily in two ways: It was
          smoked in clay pipes with a fig stem or ground up for
          snuff. Nor were Americans consuming a great deal of what
          they produced. In 1790 about seventy-eight percent of our
          total production was exported, the remaining twenty-two
          being consumed at home. By 1840 domestic consumption
          amounted to forty-one percent, fifty-five percent by
          1860, sixty percent by 1900, and I believe today domestic
          consumption is better than seventy percent of our total
          production. The changing methods of consumption, then,
          had much to do with the expansion of tobacco as a staple
          from three colonies to some twenty states, the emergence
          of several distinct types of tobacco, and the tremendous
          increase in domestic consumption.</p>
          <p>After the American Revolution there was a general
          switch to chewing as Americans smoked less and consumed
          less snuff per capita. Chewing during the colonial period
          had been restricted to a small number of working men and
          sailors, but it became the chief method of consuming
          tobacco during the first half of the nineteenth century
          and held that position until near the end of the
          nineteenth century. Placed in historical perspective, the
          switch to chewing represented in part a rejection, final
          and complete, of Europeans in general and the British in
          particular. Snuffing snuff up the nostrils in the proper
          manner and conspicuously displaying a beautiful and
          expensive snuff box and a silk handkerchief had become
          one of the symbols of Old World aristocracy. It might
          be</p>
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          <p>suggested that the snuffing habit also served as a
          deodorant in reverse. It dulled one&#8217;s senses
          against offensive odors.</p>
          <p>The switch to chewing after the Revolution was but one
          part of the Americanization process then taking place.
          The habit was adopted to some extent by the British but
          never became popular at all on the Continent. Chewing was
          American. It represented freedom. It was symbolic of a
          great frontier society and the abandonment of Old World
          customs and traditions. It symbolized self sufficiency,
          restless energy of Americans on the move, the rise of the
          common man. It symbolized isolation and solitude,
          solitude because chomping was a substitute for chatter.
          It also came with the improved quality and mildness of
          tobacco as the culture spread to the virgin soils of the
          Western country and with the emergence of yellow tobacco
          from the near-depleted gray soils of Virginia and North
          Carolina. This suggests that chewing was also based on
          the development of a better way to bring out the best in
          tobacco. Above all, chewing was practical and convenient.
          Chewing did not necessitate a cessation of one&#8217;s
          activities to fill and light a pipe, and one&#8217;s
          spittoon was the whole outdoors. The Englishman Charles
          Mackay suggested that Americans made a mistake when the
          eagle was named our national emblem. Mackay thought it
          should have been the spittoon. [Laughter]</p>
          <p>Growing popularity of the chew was especially
          important in the rather rapid expansion of tobacco in
          Tennessee and Kentucky. The darker tobaccos of this
          general area were popular for making the domestic chewing
          plug and twist as well as for export. The burley leaf
          contained far less sugar content than the tobacco grown
          east of the mountains and was thus capable of absorbing
          more of the additives such as licorice, rum, sugar, or
          honey that were used to produce a variety of tastes.
          Air-cured tobacco was</p>
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          <p>more absorptive than fire-cured, as the smoky open
          fires tended to close the pores of the tobacco leaf.</p>
          <p>In 1839 American tobacco growers produced a record
          crop of some 200,000,000 pounds, with the states east of
          the mountains producing only slightly more than those to
          the west. Even though Virginia was still the leading
          producer in 1859 with twenty-eight percent of the total
          crop, Kentucky was close behind with a little better than
          twenty-seven. Tennessee was third, Maryland fourth, and
          North Carolina was fifth. The popularity of the burley
          leaf for chewing and the impact of the Civil War on
          Virginia enabled Kentucky to replace Virginia as the
          leading producer soon after the war. Missouri knocked
          North Carolina from sixth place.</p>
          <p>It was also the chewing era that breathed some new
          life into the declining tobacco culture in Virginia and
          North Carolina during the early years of the nineteenth
          century. The chewing public came to demand that the quid
          be pleasing to the eye as well as to the taste.
          Manufacturers began searching for hogsheads of
          light-colored or yellow tobacco to use as wrappers for
          the dark, licorice-laden plugs. This bright tobacco leaf
          did not turn black when subjected to the juices and
          pressure necessary in the manufacture of the chewing
          plug. The superior prices paid for yellow tobacco
          resulted in increased efforts by growers in Virginia and
          North Carolina to produce such a leaf, and this was also
          the period when the [14:01 spangled] tobacco, the
          Maryland type, spread rapidly into Missouri, Ohio,
          Indiana, Illinois, and Arkansas. The demand for a bright
          leaf, plus the growing objection to wood-smoked tobacco
          by Americans, also led to the more widespread use of
          charcoal and later flue curing systems in the Virginia,
          North Carolina</p>
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          <p>district. Bright tobacco then was emerging as a
          distinct type before it became popular as a smoking
          leaf.</p>
          <p>Although chewing did not reach its peak in popularity
          until about 1890, another method of consuming tobacco
          began to develop some momentum as an accepted form of
          consumption in the early decades of the nineteenth
          century, the cigar. Actually, cigar consumption in
          America is now in its fourth phase. The cigar lingered on
          the fringe of smokers&#8217; consciousness for about
          fifty years, from 1762 to 1810. It required another fifty
          years to become an acceptable way to use tobacco. For
          still another fifty years, 1860 to about 1907, the cigar
          was extremely popular, reaching its peak in per capita
          consumption about the time the chew began its decline. In
          1907, leaf used in cigar manufacture still represented
          thirty percent of all the tobacco processed in the United
          States and sixty cents of every dollar spent on tobacco
          products went for cigars. Within three years, however,
          cigar consumption began its gradual decline and has now
          leveled off at about ten percent of the tobacco consumed
          in this country.</p>
          <p>One story has it that Connecticut&#8217;s general,
          Israel Putnam, commander of American troops at the Battle
          of Bunker Hill, started New England&#8217;s long cigar
          tradition when he brought three [16:01] loads of Havana
          cigars to Connecticut in 1762 during the French and
          Indian War. One story has it that during the war a
          British officer challenged Gen. Putnam to a duel. Putnam
          explained that he had never been very good at firing
          pistols and that since he was challenged he had the
          privilege of naming the weapon to be used, and he chose a
          powder keg. Putnam explained that they would both sit
          down by the powder keg and he would light a fuse and he
          who could sit the longest shall be declared the bravest.
          Putnam then lit the fuse, crossed his legs, and puffed
          away on his cigar.</p>
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          <p>When the fuse burned to within about an inch of the
          keg the British officer beat a hasty retreat. Only Gen.
          Putnam knew that the keg contained not powder but onions.
          [Laughter]</p>
          <p>In 1824 a cigar with a president on the end of it was
          elected to the White House, [Laughter] suggesting the
          growing popularity of this regional smoke. President John
          Quincy Adams symbolized and spearheaded the sectional
          trend towards cigars. By the 1830s cigar consumption was
          apparently large enough to cause a small handful of New
          Englanders to grow their own tobacco to supply local
          cigar shops that had already emerged. In the 1830s and
          &#8217;40s the after-dinner cigar established itself in
          French and English salons, smoking rooms were set aside
          at every gentleman&#8217;s club, and smoking cars were
          introduced on European railroads. This vogue exerted
          considerable influence in the United States, particularly
          in the more industrialized Northern states where America
          was becoming more citified and
          &#8220;civilized.&#8221;</p>
          <p>The Mexican War and expansion into California and the
          gold strike of 1848 stimulated the popularity of cigars.
          To the Yankee mind this more exotic type of smoking
          became associated with power and wealth, urbanization and
          civilization, and the rise of a leisure class, perhaps
          even arrogance, as long pants replaced knee breeches and
          hose. In the decade 1849 to &#8217;59 cigar leaf
          production increased 3,000 percent in Massachusetts,
          7,000 percent in New York, 400 percent in Connecticut,
          245 percent in Pennsylvania. Despite this tremendous
          percent of increase in production in the United States,
          it constituted less than ten percent of the total tobacco
          crop.</p>
          <p>Prior to the Civil War, the cigar was essentially a
          Northern tradition and one of the many examples of
          growing sectionalism. Yankees grew virtually all of the
          American</p>
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          <p>cigar leaf, made most of the cigars, and consumed the
          majority of them. The cigar then was basically a Yankee
          smoke. Cigar smoking showed its steepest rate of climb
          during and just after the Civil War. The cigar puffing
          Gen. Grant accomplished for the nation of smokers in
          general what John Quincy Adams had done for the Yankees.
          The cigar as well as other regional tastes and customs
          became national standards. Indeed, it might be said that
          cigar smoke helped soothe tensions between former enemies
          and thus hastened the process of reunion. By 1880 cigars
          accounted for approximately thirty percent of all tobacco
          used and manufactured in the United States and maintained
          a rather stable level until early twentieth century. It
          was in the latter half of the nineteenth century that
          northern Wisconsin, Georgia, Florida, began commercial
          production of the cigar leaf. Consequently, Southerners
          were now producing much of its cigar leaf, manufacturing
          its own cigars, and consuming them in sizeable
          quantities.</p>
          <p>The tobacco industry in general, and especially in the
          South, had fully recovered by 1879, as total production
          for that year slightly exceeded the previous record crop
          of four hundred million pounds in 1859 and almost doubled
          that of 1869. The 1880s saw an important expansion of
          tobacco in North Carolina. Cotton was still king below
          the fall line, but the people there eyed with interest
          the more prosperous tobacco Piedmont. In the 1890s one
          warehouseman in the new eastern belt wrote this jingle:
          &#8220;Cotton was once king and produced Carolina&#8217;s
          Cracker, but now we have a better thing, the glorious
          bright tobacco.&#8221; I thought there were only Georgia
          Crackers. [Laughter]</p>
          <p>The expansion of bright tobacco in eastern North
          Carolina was largely the result of the growing popularity
          of yet another way for Americans to consume this tobacco.
          Long before chewing and cigar consumption reached their
          peak of per capita</p>
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          <p>consumption, Americans began to return to the pipe in
          large numbers and to add the cigarette habit. Some
          individuals consumed tobacco all four ways, not all at
          the same time, as did some Central American Indians.
          There&#8217;s one story that this Central American Indian
          who was really a nicotine addict put snuff up his nose
          and packed shredded tobacco up each nostril to keep the
          snuff from falling out. Then he placed a big chew in each
          cheek and lit up a cigar. Now, I don&#8217;t remember
          whether this gentleman was sitting, standing, or in the
          prone position when he did all this. [Laughter]</p>
          <p>Cigarette smoking was originally a Central American
          custom which had been observed by American traders who
          opened the Santa Fe Trail early in the nineteenth
          century. The cigarette arrived in New York in the 1850s
          from Seville, Spain, where cigarettes were a poor
          man&#8217;s byproduct of the lordly Havana cigar, scraps
          of discarded cigar butts wrapped in a scrap of paper. The
          cigarette supposedly spread to Europeans in general
          during the Crimean War of the 1850s as a result of
          contact with the Turks.</p>
          <p>Maybe John R. Green at Durham Station had tried one of
          these discarded cigar butts wrapped in scrap paper when
          he decided to shred his stock of tobacco rather than
          working it up in plugs and twists. The story of the
          consumption of Green&#8217;s entire stock by some eighty
          thousand Confederate and Yankee troops being mustered out
          following the surrender at Appomattox is a classic and
          oft told tale. Post-Civil War days did indeed witness a
          rapid growth of the demand for smoking tobacco, tobacco
          shredded for consumption in pipes and for roll-your-own
          cigarettes. The peak of smoking tobacco consumption per
          capita came in 1910.</p>
          <p>A distinctive American cigarette was not to emerge
          until 1913, but the groundwork had been laid much
          earlier. In the late 1850s a London merchant began</p>
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          <p>manufacturing hand-made cigarettes using Turkish
          tobacco. It was the exotic origin and aromatic flavor of
          the Turkish leaf that gave the cigarette its first appeal
          to Americans, while Americans were still in the throes of
          fascination with the cigar and still had its mouth full
          of quid. Manufacture of cigarettes in the United States
          began in New York in 1864 but the new fashion failed to
          gain many converts. Around 1880 several manufacturers in
          the Virginia-Carolina area began production of cigarettes
          as an experimental venture. The popular article at that
          time was still an exotic blended cigarette. It seemed
          that the word &#8220;Turkish&#8221; on the package,
          festooned with minarets, pyramids, and palm trees, was
          more important than what was in the cigarette.</p>
          <p>The American cigarette as we know it did not evolve
          from the straight Turkish product or even from the
          Turkish-Virginia blend. The blend which finally won out
          was derived from smoking tobacco by way of the pipe and
          roll-your-own cigarettes: flue cured bright tobacco, then
          sweetened burley, then finally it was a mixture of both
          that first captured American taste buds. The American
          blended cigarette introduced in 1913 was more frequently
          half bright tobacco, from one- to two-fifths burley, and
          the remainder Turkish and Maryland tobaccos. The
          cigarette machine and the American blended cigarette had
          a tremendous impact on American tobacco consuming habits,
          or perhaps it should be vice versa, or versa vice.</p>
          <p>By the end of World War I, cigarettes accounted for
          twenty-five percent of the tobacco consumed in the United
          States, cigars about twenty-five percent, while chewing
          and pipe smoking and snuff accounted for about fifty
          percent; however, by 1921 the cigarette became the
          leading form of tobacco consumption. The cigarette was
          originally a big-city novelty. As the felt hat replaced
          the dignified topper, the automobile replaced</p>
          <pb n="Page 12" />
          <p>the horse and buggy and stately carriage, the
          leisurely noon meal yielded to the quick lunch counter,
          the pipe and cigar was replaced by the cigarette. The
          cigarette meant that citification had come, that urban
          hurry-up had been institutionalized. The cigarette,
          light, mild, and quick, was tailor made for an urban
          civilization perpetually in motion and perpetually in
          need of relaxation.</p>
          <p>The rapid growth of the popularity of the American
          cigarette was soon reflected in the production of various
          types of tobacco, especially in the bright belt.
          Production was not only stimulated in the old areas but
          the bright belt came to include South Carolina, Georgia,
          Florida, and a small portion of Alabama. In 1922
          authorities proclaimed bright tobacco the world&#8217;s
          leading tobacco crop, even though Kentucky remained
          momentarily the top tobacco producing state. Bright
          tobacco constituted one- third of the total U.S.
          production. By 1929 it had climbed to forty-nine percent
          and North Carolina had become the leading producer,
          marking about two-thirds of the total volume of bright
          tobacco. Today bright tobacco and burley growers produce
          about eighty percent of the total tobacco in the United
          States, fifty percent bright and thirty percent burley.
          North Carolina still produces two-thirds of the bright
          tobacco. Cigarette consumption probably saved the tobacco
          of southern Maryland from extinction. The growth of the
          burley trade and the fact that Maryland tobacco was
          rather neutral in flavor drastically reduced
          Maryland&#8217;s status as a tobacco producer. The
          inclusion of the Maryland type in the blended cigarette,
          because of its excellent burning qualities, proved to be
          very important. The decline of the chew in the United
          States and the growing popularity of burley and bright
          tobacco on the export market had an adverse effect from
          which the dark fire districts have never really
          recovered.</p>
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          <p>Beginning around 1960 bright tobacco production
          declined about two percent while burley increased by
          about the same amount. This change was due largely to the
          growing popularity of the filtered cigarette, which
          resulted in a slight increase in the proportion of burley
          and a slight decrease in the bright tobacco in the blend.
          What started as a health fad was spurred by the
          attenuation of American taste in general. Mildness became
          a desired attribute in beer, coffee and other edibles, as
          well as tobacco. The filter tip also contributed to the
          cigarette as a convenience article, eliminating loose
          tobacco ends and affording the smoker a firmer purchase
          between the lips. Filter tips were also less expensive
          than the tobacco they replaced and manufacturers fell
          over each other in an effort to produce another filter
          cigarette. Now I think about eighty percent of the
          cigarettes are filter tips.</p>
          <p>Currently cigarette consumption is on the increase
          again. They account for more than eighty percent of the
          tobacco consumed in the United States, cigars
          approximately ten percent, and smoking and chewing a
          little less than ten percent, snuff about one and a half
          percent. Cigarettes account for almost ninety percent of
          the domestic consumption of burley and ninety-five
          percent of the bright tobacco usage. Bright tobacco types
          also account for over eighty percent of the total leaf
          exported by this country.</p>
          <p>The story of changing popular methods of consuming
          tobacco is in essence the story of the expansion of
          tobacco culture in the United States and reflects in many
          ways the history of the growth and development of this
          country from a rural society to an urban industrialized
          nation. It explains when and how North Carolina rose from
          a relatively minor tobacco colony to the number one
          tobacco producer. Just as production of the bright leaf
          began shifting from Virginia to North Carolina, so did
          the manufacture of</p>
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          <p>tobacco. As I recall, there were about a dozen major
          tobacco manufacturing centers on the eve of the Civil
          War, only one of which was in North Carolina--the other
          twelve principal centers--Milton. By the end of the
          nineteenth century, Virginia, long the first state in the
          production of chewing tobacco, lost its leadership to
          North Carolina. The same thing happened in the cigarette
          industry by 1890. Durham and Winston-Salem clearly
          document these events.</p>
          <p>Few factors have been more important in the growth of
          numerous towns in North Carolina than the shift in
          marketing centers, particularly since the Civil War.
          Until the post-war period, much of the North Carolina
          tobacco wound up on the Virginia markets. The transition
          to smoking tobacco and finally the cigarette changed all
          that. The great expansion of the bright belt in North
          Carolina saw the rise in growth of its own auction sales
          warehouses. Almost simultaneously during the 1870s, such
          warehouses were established in Durham, Reidsville,
          Winston, and Henderson. In 1880 some nine North Carolina
          markets handled all but 3,000,000 pounds of the
          state&#8217;s total crop. The establishment of tobacco
          warehouses came to symbolize civic progress. It was
          indeed with great pride that North Carolinians watched
          Winston-Salem supersede Danville in volume of sales in
          1919. Two years later Danville dropped to third place
          behind Wilson. Numerous North Carolina towns grew and
          prospered, and some declined, as a result of the
          establishment of tobacco markets. There were sixty-four
          market towns in 1919. Today forty-eight North Carolina
          towns with some 237 tobacco warehouses owe varying
          degrees of prosperity to these tobacco warehouses.</p>
          <p>Now one method of tobacco consumption was also
          associated with what has now become the most current fad
          on college and university campuses, streaking. As far as
          I know, one of the earliest recorded examples of
          streaking was done by President John Quincy Adams, who
          was an avid cigar smoker. Adams frequently dashed--not
          streaked--dashed down to the Potomac River when he was
          President, in the wee hours of the morning, to take a
          skinny dip. On one such occasion someone sneaked down and
          stole his clothes. The only possession not taken was the
          President&#8217;s half smoked cigar. This left him with
          no alternative but to streak back to the White House,
          which he did, with the cigar stub clenched firmly between
          his teeth, and as far as I</p>
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          <p>know President Adams is the only person to have
          streaked displaying two butts instead of one. [Laughter;
          Applause]</p>
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          <p>Fred Ragan: Professor Herndon will stand for questions
          from the audience, if you have any. [Pause] Seeing no
          questions this morning session will adjourn and will
          reconvene at 12:30 at the Ramada Inn for the luncheon.
          Thank you.</p>
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        <p>END OF RECORDING</p>
        <p>Transcriber: Deborah Mitchum</p>
        <p>Date: October 12, 2010</p>
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