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            <cell role="data">SPECIAL COLLECTIONS ORAL HISTORY
            COLLECTION</cell>
          </row>
          <row>
            <cell role="data">ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEW #18</cell>
          </row>
          <row>
            <cell role="data">Dr. Durwood T. Stokes</cell>
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          <row>
            <cell role="data">Chairman of the Department of Social
            science and professor of history at Elon College</cell>
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            <cell role="data">March 27, 1974</cell>
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        <sp who="#name-00000030">
          <speaker>Herbert Paschal</speaker>
          <p>I believe it&#8217;s 9:35 or past, and in keeping with
          our announced schedule it is now my pleasure officially
          to convene the second annual Tobacco History Symposium at
          East Carolina University. This symposium has as its
          central theme this year, &#8220;Tobacco&#8217;s Impact
          Upon Towns and Town Life in North Carolina.&#8221; It has
          been arranged and organized by the director and assistant
          directors of the Institute for Historical Research in
          Tobacco, which is sponsored by the Department of History
          of East Carolina University. With the help of the
          Division of Continuing Education of East Carolina and the
          financial assistance of the North Carolina Committee
          for</p>
          <pb n="Page 2" />
          <p>Continuing Education in the Humanities and the
          National Endowment for the Humanities, it is here
          gratefully acknowledged without their assistance this day
          would certainly have not have been possible.</p>
          <p>Through the years I have had the pleasure of teaching
          I guess literally thousands of East Carolina students,
          some hopefully some North Carolina history, and in the
          classroom I&#8217;ve attempted to stress certain prime
          forces and elements in North Carolina history, things
          that have moved and shaped the history of this state,
          such things as bright leaf tobacco, the dangerous coast
          of North Carolina, the problem of sectionalism in North
          Carolina. We have on our platform this morning one of
          those forces and elements which have continued to shape
          North Carolina in the twentieth century, and we are very
          proud indeed to have to extend the welcome to you this
          morning the chancellor of our university, Dr. Leo W.
          Jenkins. Dr. Jenkins.</p>
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          <speaker>Leo Jenkins</speaker>
          <p>Dr. Paschal. It&#8217;s a pleasure to welcome all of
          you here. There is an old saying that people who do not
          look to their past don&#8217;t have much of a future, and
          I think it&#8217;s very proper that we do come together
          and talk about things that made North Carolina and put us
          where we are right now. Normally in these days whenever
          you go to a meeting and you&#8217;re associated with a
          college or university they want you to talk about
          streaking, so I hope you don&#8217;t have any streaking
          going on here today. [Laughter] Of course even
          that&#8217;s a good movement, Herb. I think historians
          will say that it did bring the town and the college
          together. [Laughter] We have more visitors now than we
          ever did sometimes. We had a convoy come over from
          Kinston the other night when the radio man said
          there&#8217;s going to be some streaking, so the whole
          convoy of them came. It was nice. I know they came over
          to see our buildings and [Laughter] [what</p>
          <pb n="Page 3" />
          <p>we&#8217;redoing here.] You know the grasshoppers and
          the roaches had a symposium similar to this, Dr. Paschal,
          at one time. After the keynote speaker made his talk he
          entertained questions, and a little grasshopper jumped up
          and said, &#8220;We have a real problem. Every winter we
          die.&#8221; And the expert said, &#8220;Well that&#8217;s
          easy to solve. When it gets a little chilly and you think
          winter&#8217;s coming on change yourself into roaches.
          Then you can eat the best of food and live in warm homes
          and enjoy the winter,&#8221; and everybody applauded.
          This little grasshopper got up again and he said,
          &#8220;I&#8217;ve got a second question that pertains to
          the first one,&#8221; and the speaker was a little bit
          tired of him and he said, &#8220;What is it this
          time?&#8221; He said, &#8220;Well how do we turn
          ourselves into roaches?&#8221; He said, &#8220;Well let
          me make one thing very, very clear. I&#8217;ve come here
          to give you the big idea; you work out the
          details.&#8221; [Laughter] So anything that you might
          hear, you work out the details of it.</p>
          <p>We have a big operation going here, as you know, and
          we&#8217;re very honored really when people from the
          business community, particularly those of you who
          represent our biggest piece of the economy in Eastern
          North Carolina, the tobacco industry, come here and spend
          some time with us. It costs us about twenty-five million
          dollars of your money and the money of parents of
          students, which is still your money, to run this
          institution. It&#8217;s a very expensive undertaking. We
          have some fifteen hundred full time employees. As a
          matter of fact we have more employees here now than we
          had students when I came here, and they come from all
          over the world and they are trained in some of the
          greatest of our universities, so it&#8217;s only right
          and proper that the expertise that does exist on our
          various campuses should be brought to the attention of
          our citizenry. So we are very honored and pleased that
          you have elected to come and</p>
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          <p>spend a few hours with us. I wish I could spend some
          more time with you. I&#8217;ve got a gang waiting for me
          at 10:00 this morning and then I&#8217;ve got to run on
          to Chicago, so our life gets to be such that we
          don&#8217;t get the chance to enjoy it as much as I would
          like to. But again you&#8217;re very welcome and I know
          you&#8217;ll have a very fine symposium. Thank you very
          much.</p>
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          <speaker>Herbert Paschal</speaker>
          <p>Thank you, Dr. Jenkins, and good luck on your trip.
          It&#8217;s my pleasure now to introduce to you the
          director of the institute, who has worked long and
          diligently to bring this program together today and to
          make possible this second symposium. Without further ado,
          since most of you have not had the opportunity to meet
          him, I introduce the director of the Institute for
          Historical Research in Tobacco, Dr. John Ellen.</p>
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          <speaker>John Ellen</speaker>
          <p>Thank you, Herb. It&#8217;s good to see a number of
          you folks back again this time. This is our second
          venture, our second annual symposium dealing with the
          history of tobacco. Let me add a real warm welcome to
          that of the two previous speakers, this one on behalf of
          the Institute for Historical Research in Tobacco. It was
          just one year ago that we welcomed a good many of you
          here. It&#8217;s good to see you back again, as I just
          emphasized. Last year&#8217;s program featured a number
          of top names from the elite among tobacco historians, and
          as you&#8217;re all well aware there are not too many of
          this type person around. Thus we&#8217;re very proud
          personally to be able to return several of these speakers
          from last year to this present symposium. Some of the
          more popular ones will be with us again today: Dr. Nannie
          Mae Tilley, Melvin Herndon, and Robert Durden, all big
          names in the area of tobacco history and telling the
          story of tobacco. These plus Durwood Stokes of Elon
          College and Bill Humphries, the farm</p>
          <pb n="Page 7" />
          <p>observer, will constitute our program main speakers
          for the day. I think it&#8217;s a real strong program,
          we&#8217;re proud of it, and I believe they will cover
          the theme we have for this year, &#8220;The Impact of
          Tobacco upon Towns and Town Life in North
          Carolina,&#8221; and they will cover it very well.</p>
          <p>For the benefit of those who are attending their
          initial tobacco history symposium, let me quickly refer
          to the essentials which have made this program a reality.
          Tobacco has been a major force in the lives of the people
          of this state since the first Virginia settlers came in
          the mid-seventeenth century, around the Dismal Swamp and
          into Albemarle Sound. The Virginians brought with them
          their love for this crop, which quickly became the
          colony&#8217;s first important staple. While tobacco
          declined sharply in importance in the antebellum North
          Carolina era, production began to expand rapidly in the
          late nineteenth century. The twentieth century has seen
          North Carolina become not only the world&#8217;s leading
          producer of tobacco leaf but also the world&#8217;s
          leading manufacturer of tobacco products. Tobacco has
          really played a dual role, a twofold role, in the
          development of this state in the area of urbanization,
          and that&#8217;s an area that we are dealing with
          primarily today. It has acted both as a deterrent on
          occasion and as a stimulus, as a stimulus particularly to
          the rise of certain marketing and manufacturing centers.
          More important, however, has been the impact of this crop
          on the day-to-day lives of rural and urban North
          Carolinians and indeed upon their counterparts in other
          Southern tobacco producing states. Thus there was and is
          a definite need for developing a major center for the
          study of the extent of this tobacco&#8217;s impact upon
          those whose lives have been touched by tobacco and the
          tobacco industry in order that you and we may understand
          and appreciate that society which has</p>
          <pb n="Page 6" />
          <p>developed around this major staple crop. In this way
          the strengths and weaknesses of this society resting upon
          a tobacco-based economy can be more readily ascertained
          and those values most worthy of retention can be
          identified.</p>
          <p>To launch such a study of tobacco history and its
          impact upon this state in particular, the South, and the
          nation, the Department of History of this institution has
          founded the Institute for Historical Research in Tobacco
          late in the year 1972. This organization is now beginning
          to accumulate resources necessary for the long and
          involved task of studying the tobacco society&#8217;s
          evolution. The first major effort of the institute, the
          better understanding and interpretation of the tobacco
          story, was last year&#8217;s symposium. Academic
          humanists with varying competencies in the history of
          tobacco and a cross section of persons comprising the
          tobacco society, growers, processors, manufacturers,
          exporters, buyers, other industry personnel and
          interested persons attended that meeting. The papers were
          presented by able speakers. Discussion and questions
          sessions followed. As a result, some of the doors to
          understanding the tobacco story and tobacco society were
          opened a bit wider and a number of suggested paths for
          fruitful research in the future were pointed out to
          various ones of us.</p>
          <p>Secondly, and integral to the ongoing program of the
          institute, is a need to acquire by gift and/or purchase
          basic works on the history and development of tobacco not
          already held by the East Carolina University Joyner
          Memorial Library. Acquisitions in this area have been
          encouraging this year, certainly, and more about that
          later on.</p>
          <pb n="Page 7" />
          <p>Thirdly, essential to the long-range project is the
          developing of a center for collecting manuscript
          materials, records of all aspects of the tobacco society,
          including farm journals, marketing warehouse records,
          personal correspondence relating to tobacco, records of
          manufacturing companies, exporters, and so forth.
          Acquisitions are being housed in the East Carolina
          Manuscript Collection in the Joyner Memorial Library.
          Desirable manuscript offerings have first to be located,
          of course, evaluated, and if deemed important acquired by
          gift or purchase. This manuscript repository will provide
          a center for the study of the tobacco society and a means
          of interpreting that society&#8217;s past and its
          present. Unusually important and revealing documents
          casting light upon the tobacco society can be reproduced
          and given wide distribution at a minimum cost. Of course
          these documents, too, must be first collected and
          identified, before they are ready for reproduction.
          Professor Don Lennon, the director of the East Carolina
          Manuscript Collection, has been soliciting tobacco
          materials for some time now throughout this entire
          tobacco region. Success in this area was very slow at
          first but has become most rewarding in the last few days.
          More about that later.</p>
          <p>Once again we solicit your interest and support, not
          only in ferreting out available manuscript materials, but
          also your support in acquiring those of real value to the
          program already described. We believe that Greenville and
          Pitt County, located in the heart of the large eastern
          bright tobacco belt, is a logical center for collecting
          and housing primary and secondary resources relating to
          tobacco in the Carolinas, Virginia, and other southern
          tobacco producing states.</p>
          <p>And now just a few housekeeping chores for the day. We
          have a light problem, as has already been affirmed.
          They&#8217;re working on the lights apparently and
          hopefully</p>
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          <p>they will be in better shape. All we have is a few
          spots at the moment. It&#8217;s like the energy crisis
          has really gotten us. It was not planned that way I
          assure you, however. If you have not registered and
          picked up a name tag please do so in the lobby at your
          convenience, by the noon hour. The program as printed on
          the brochure is intact as far as I can tell at the moment
          and thus we did not print any additional throwaway
          programs this year, as we did last year. Coffee will be
          available in the lobby during most of the day. As far as
          points of information about this particular building, the
          Allied Health Building, restrooms are located just behind
          the platform and outside the auditorium, as you are
          facing now, men on the right, ladies on the left. There
          is a pay telephone in the west wing of the lobby for
          those that might need to make a phone call. There was a
          no smoking sign here, but there are ashtrays around, and
          I don&#8217;t see it at the moment so we won&#8217;t
          worry about that, I suppose. Those signs are in all state
          university auditoriums automatically, as I understand it.
          We used ashtrays last year with reckless abandon, so
          those who want to light up, please do so.</p>
          <p>I feel certain that all of you will want to hear Bill
          Humphries at the luncheon today. He&#8217;s a former farm
          editor of the Raleigh News &amp; Observer, for some
          twenty years I suppose, and now associated with North
          Carolina State University in another capacity but still
          in agriculture, of course. The luncheon is scheduled for
          12:30 at the Ramada Inn, the restaurant, which is about a
          quarter of a mile or less west of this building on US 264
          Bypass. There should be adequate parking there, as there
          doesn&#8217;t seem to be here. We may use the east side
          entrance of that building to a room in the rear of the
          restaurant. Tickets are on sale in the lobby.
          They&#8217;re three dollars per customer and may be
          purchased until 12:30. The afternoon session featuring
          Nannie</p>
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          <p>Mae Tilley and Robert Durden is slated for 2:30 in
          this auditorium, so we will have roughly about a two-hour
          period to get from here down to the Ramada Inn and back,
          those of us that are going to the luncheon, and return.
          Once again, welcome. At this time I want to turn the
          direction of the morning session over to a friend of mine
          and history colleague, Professor Fred Ragan of the
          Department of History, one of the associate directors of
          the Institute for Historical Research in Tobacco and one
          of its most ardent supporters. Thank you. Fred.</p>
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          <speaker>Fred Ragan</speaker>
          <p>Thank you, Professor Ellen. I, too, extend a welcome
          to the Tobacco Institute, and the first part of our
          program deals with, of course, tobacco in the towns. Our
          first speaker is Professor Durwood T. Stokes. He&#8217;s
          a native of North Carolina; received his graduate degree
          at the University of North Carolina; presently is an
          officer in the North Carolina Historical Society.
          He&#8217;s the secretary-treasurer of that society.
          Recently he has been commissioned to write a history of
          Dillon County, South Carolina. He&#8217;s published a
          number of articles in the North Carolina Historical
          Review and the South Carolina Historical Magazine. One of
          those articles deals with the town of Milton, the town
          that he will be speaking about today. It deals with the
          Milton Chronicle, the newspaper of the town. Professor
          Stokes is chairman of the Department of Social Science
          and he is a professor of history at Elon College. His
          topic this morning is &#8220;Milton: The Growth and
          Decline of a Tobacco Town.&#8221; Professor.</p>
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          <speaker>Durwood T. Stokes</speaker>
          <p>Durwood T. Stokes: The town of Milton in northeast
          Caswell County, North Carolina, is situated on a high
          ridge which slopes steeply downward on the south side</p>
          <pb n="Page 10" />
          <p>to Country Line Creek and on the north side to the Dan
          River and the Virginia state line. It was named either
          for Robert Milton, a pioneer settler in the vicinity, or
          for Thomas Milton, who operated a mill in the area. As
          early as 1728 a settlement had been made on the site and
          the name which became permanent was in common usage by
          May 11, 1781, when the Marquis de Lafayette wrote a
          letter headed &#8220;Milton&#8221; to General Sumner. A
          census taken in 1784 showed Caswell County to be the
          second most populous county in North Carolina, and
          doubtless some of this growth was centered in Milton, for
          the town was incorporated on December 23, 1796, eight
          days earlier than Baltimore, Maryland, received its
          corporate charter. Almost immediately Milton became
          commercially important and throughout the nineteenth
          century its fortunes rose and fell on succeeding waves of
          prosperity, after which it experienced a decline and its
          prestige catapulted downward to its present unimpressive
          level. Although it remains today the only incorporated
          town in Caswell County, Milton&#8217;s population has
          shrunk to a fraction of its peak figure and only a
          vestige of its former importance remains. The extent of
          the resulting obscurity was clearly evident in 1971
          during the town&#8217;s 175th anniversary celebration. On
          that occasion Governor Robert W. Scott, one of the most
          widely traveled chief executives this state ever had,
          confessed in his address that while he was born and
          reared only some 50 miles distant, he never previously
          visited Milton. The prime factor in this ebb and flow of
          commercial prestige has been tobacco.</p>
          <p>There is not an abundance of factual material on the
          history of the Caswell community, especially for specific
          periods of the town&#8217;s existence, but the
          fragmentary data which has been preserved, consisting
          primarily of newspaper articles and</p>
          <pb n="Page 11" />
          <p>contemporary accounts, furnish a deep and intimate
          insight into the events that transpired and supplement
          the more impersonal statistics and general records. For
          this reason the extant information presents a more
          complete picture than its meager quantity would
          ordinarily indicate, and it is this material which
          delineates the role of tobacco in the story of the town.
          Significantly, Milton&#8217;s charter specified that as
          soon as the town shall be laid out inspectors of tobacco
          and flour be appointed by the town government and
          warehouses erected for the storage of these
          commodities.</p>
          <p>This provision is understandable, for throughout
          colonial North Carolina, hardly a more suitable area for
          agricultural development could have been found than the
          valley of the Dan. In 1728 William Byrd described the
          bent of the river as &#8220;a level of exceeding rich
          land full of large trees and covered with black mould, as
          fruitful as that which is yearly overflowed by the
          Nile.&#8221; This promising area was settled by farmers
          and tobacco, being a profitable agricultural crop, was
          cultivated as early as any in the area. Milton soon
          became the focal point in the region where farmers could
          sell their cured weed and the commercial buyers could
          then ship their bulk purchases by barge on the Dan River
          into Virginia. There was no appreciable competition from
          other Caswell communities, because they lacked the
          facility enjoyed by Milton of being on the banks of a
          navigable river, which flowed into the adjoining state.
          In 1810 Bartlett Yancey observed that Caswell&#8217;s
          staple commodities of tobacco, cotton, and [26:09] flour:
          &#8220;We generally send our produce to Petersburg and
          Richmond.&#8221;</p>
          <p>Milton was the gateway to the Virginia markets, and by
          this time sufficiently profited by this advantage to
          boast of two stores, a saddler&#8217;s shop, a
          hatter&#8217;s shop, a tavern, with about fifteen or
          twenty houses, according to Yancey. At this time
          Milton</p>
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          <p>was sharing with most of the United States a
          prosperity caused by the boom which followed the War of
          1812 and in most accounts of the town&#8217;s commercial
          growth tobacco is prominently mentioned. In 1818 the
          Raleigh Register commented:</p>
          <p>This newly established little town on Dan River
          flourishes beyond any example in this state. Property
          which a year ago would not have sold for fifteen hundred
          dollars will now command fifteen thousand. Lots on the
          main street sell at the high price of a hundred dollars a
          foot front. Land in the neighborhood is also in
          proportion.</p>
          <p>Archibald DeBow Murphey, who had been one of the
          commissioners appointed to lay out the town for
          incorporation, was so impressed while doing so with the
          potentiality for its growth that he invested in real
          estate in the vicinity. Writing to Judge Ruffin in 1818,
          he included a glowing account of the town:</p>
          <p>As to Milton, speculation has raised there beyond my
          expectation. Lots on the main street have sold for nearly
          an hundred dollars per foot. The company--that&#8217;s
          probably the Roanoke Navigation Company--have laid out a
          new street and sold a few lots. Their sales have already
          exceeded fifty thousand dollars and they expect the
          residue of their lands will bring seventy-five or a
          hundred thousand dollars. About fourteen hundred
          hogsheads of tobacco have been received there. Lands in
          the neighborhood are selling from twenty to fifty dollars
          per acre. I understand that more than five hundred
          hogsheads of tobacco have been received at Danville and
          that the property which I sold Mr. [28:18] would now sell
          for more than a hundred thousand dollars. A great deal of
          capital is centering in Milton and Danville.</p>
          <p>The possibility of connecting the waters of the
          Roanoke and Dan Rivers by canal was a subject of general
          interest at the time, and this contemplated project
          inspired a comment in Niles&#8217; Register:</p>
          <p>The improvement in the navigation of the noble River
          Roanoke we have hereto observed has given birth to
          several new and thrifty villages. We have just received
          the fourth number of a well printed newspaper established
          at the new town of Milton, North Carolina, which also has
          a post office, and at which fifteen hundred hogsheads of
          tobacco were received of the last crop. The New Bern Bank
          has an agency to place and another is expected from the
          state bank.</p>
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          <p>However, this rosy economic bubble was pricked by the
          Panic of 1819 and its effect, mentioned in a letter
          written by Alexander Murphy, a Caswell planter and
          merchant, to Col. Murphy: &#8220;Business is quite dull.
          No sales of property can now be made,&#8221; he wrote.
          This commercial deflation was discouraging but the
          staunch Miltonians were doggedly determined to forge
          ahead regardless of falling real estate prices as there
          was still a demand for tobacco. John H. Perkins began
          publication of the Milton Intelligencer in 1818, which
          was not only the first in Caswell but the only newspaper
          at the time between Greensboro and Hillsborough. Although
          the paper changed owners and names several times, the
          newspaper was published in Milton almost continuously
          throughout the following century. At the same time, the
          tobacco market was enlarged and the Roanoke Navigation
          Company, also known sometimes as the Roanoke and Dan
          River Navigation Company, expedited the freight shipments
          on the river. Encouraged by improving transportation
          facilities and aware that there was a profit both in
          growing tobacco and in processing it, several Caswell
          entrepreneurs founded establishments in manufacturing
          plug chewing tobacco for the general market. Because of
          the success of these factories, new and larger stores
          were opened in the town. Mills were established for the
          processing of oil and the manufacture of woolen goods and
          cotton cloth. Doctors, lawyers, and insurance agents
          opened offices and even a dancing master sought pupils
          for his classes. The mulatto Tom Day advertised his
          cabinet shop where the furniture he made, so highly
          prized today by collectors, was for sale. A hotel was
          built and two boarding schools opened, one for boys and
          one for girls. Religion was not neglected and a
          Presbyterian church founded in 1826 enrolled thirty
          members in less than two years.</p>
          <pb n="Page 14" />
          <p>These and other developments were encouraging, but
          while they were taking place Miltonians kept a wary and
          somewhat jealous eye on Danville, a few miles away on the
          Virginia side of the river. Incorporated in 1792, that
          town was reaping the same benefits on the north side of
          the fertile Dan valley that Milton was harvesting on the
          south side. Competition eventually rose from other towns,
          but it was Danville that became the chief rival of Milton
          for the domination of the area&#8217;s commerce, of which
          tobacco was a substantial part.</p>
          <p>While Milton was growing appreciably during the
          antebellum period, farming in Caswell changed for the
          most part into a plantation regime, as Miss Nannie Mae
          Tilley has stated in her study of the tobacco industry.
          The county was more suitable for the growing of tobacco
          than cotton and crops were profitably produced by slave
          labor. As a result, the valued black manpower supply
          outgrew the white population in numbers according to the
          census reports, which in 1800 had 5,887 whites, 2,788
          slaves, and in 1860 there were 6,587 whites and 9,355
          slaves.</p>
          <p>The profits from this labor supply enabled the
          plantation owners to build impressive homes, entertain
          lavishly, enjoy fishing and hunting on an elaborate
          scale, and maintain stables of blooded horses for racing.
          The latter was so popular that the sport of kings became
          the king of sports in Caswell County, with Milton at its
          center. As early as 1810 Bartlett Yancey mentioned the
          organization of the Jockey Club [of the] Caswell [33:21]
          and boasted: &#8220;Few counties have more useful elegant
          horses. They are from the stock of [33:27], True Blue,
          [33:29], Magic, and [33:31]. There are valuable horses
          from [33:33] and nonpareil.&#8221; Later [33:37], Harry
          Clay, and Passover were added to the list. Even
          impressive stud fees of twenty-five dollars could
          hardly</p>
          <pb n="Page 15" />
          <p>have completely financed such an expensive sport, and
          what other major source of revenue did the sporting
          planters have than their tobacco profits? Unfortunately,
          they did not seem to realize that the enjoyment of this
          pursuit might not be always possible.</p>
          <p>However, tobacco caused no worry at the time, for the
          local newspaper quotations show that the price paid for
          the golden weed steadily increased on the Milton market
          during the two decades preceding 1860. Out of a table I
          have here I&#8217;m going to read the quotation for
          Choice Tobacco, which in 1841 was selling from ten to
          twelve dollars and in 1857 advanced to fifteen to
          eighteen, and the other was similar in rise. These prices
          compared favorably from those also quoted from the
          markets at Petersburg, Lynchburg, and Richmond, but
          significantly the Milton paper omitted quotations from
          the Danville market, even though they were probably in
          line with other prices elsewhere.</p>
          <p>In 1841 Charles Napoleon Bonaparte Evans bought the
          Milton newspaper, renamed it the Milton Chronicle, and
          published it almost without interruption for nearly half
          a century. This highly intelligent and gifted editor
          immediately became the most vociferous booster for the
          town, the leading champion of the tobacco industry, and
          the most severe critic of Caswell County agriculture. In
          1850 Evans jubilantly announced:</p>
          <p>Thirteen hogsheads tobacco made by Mr. N. Norwood,
          Warren County, North Carolina, said to be the most
          inferior crop grown by him for several years, was sold in
          this market yesterday by Mr. John M. Shepherd, Jr.,
          commission merchant, at the following satisfactory
          prices: four hogsheads at twelve dollars, one at ten
          dollars, four at eight dollars, three at seven dollars,
          and one of lugs at six dollars.</p>
          <p>In the same issue of the paper the editor replied
          cockily to an article in the Danville Register which
          boasted about the ten tobacco factories in that town:</p>
          <p>We believe our four factories can&#8217;t be beat by
          either the ten in manufacturing good chewing tobacco, and
          we dare the ten to send us a</p>
          <pb n="Page 16" />
          <p>plug of their best to compare with a plug of the best
          from the four factories in Milton. The factory that
          don&#8217;t send us a plug will be durned afraid to come
          to trial and treated accordingly.</p>
          <p>So much for that.</p>
          <p>Eight years later the following appeared in the
          Chronicle:</p>
          <p>Think of sixty dollars per hundred for tobacco in
          Milton and tell big Richmond and Lynchburg to spur up
          their steeds. We have no humbuggery in our market. Our
          manufacturers are plain, solid, matter of fact men who do
          not seek to deceive planters by false appearances.</p>
          <p>These articles indicate tobacco had become big
          business in Milton. Joseph Clark Robert in his study of
          the industry summarized the importance of the commodity
          as follows:</p>
          <p>By 1860 the manufacture of tobacco ranked among other
          industries in North Carolina fifth as to capital
          investment, fourth in value of product, and third in cost
          of raw material and number of hands employed. Of the
          ninety-four factories operating in the state at that time
          the eleven in Caswell were considerably larger than the
          others and five of these were in Milton.</p>
          <p></p>
          <p>These plants were of primary economic importance to
          the town, although the exact extent of the operations is
          difficult to determine. When the establishment of George
          W. Thompson burned in 1861, it was described as an
          extensive tobacco factory and the loss included at least
          20,000 pounds of loose tobacco and 40 boxes of the
          manufactured product. In the same newspaper which
          reported the event, an account was given of a fire in
          Person County which destroyed the factory of Green
          Williams valued at $20,000. Since the Caswell plants were
          the largest in the state, each of Milton&#8217;s plants
          must have exceeded $20,000 in value and therefore
          represented an impressive capital outlay for the
          period.</p>
          <pb n="Page 17" />
          <p>In 1850 the value of the freight shipped annually from
          Milton was approximated at between twenty-five and thirty
          thousand dollars. At the same time, Danville claimed
          seventy thousand dollars worth annually, including her
          cotton goods, which evoked a derisive comment in the
          Chronicle that, &#8220;We had supposed the freight to and
          from both towns combined fell short of this sum,&#8221;
          and that the nearest cotton factory to the Virginia city
          was in Milton. Tobacco undoubtedly accounted for most of
          the poundage shipped from the Carolina town but not all,
          for Milton had other industry including a cotton yarn
          mill described as unsurpassed in the South for its
          splendor and magnificent operations. So, even with
          tobacco reigning as king, there was some diversification
          in Milton&#8217;s industry and even a small amount in
          Caswell&#8217;s agriculture. The newspaper often strongly
          advised both town and county that there should be much
          more. In 1855 the critical Evans published the following
          sarcastic caution to farmers:</p>
          <p>Bacon and lard: These articles are in great demand in
          Milton. Not a pound of the one or the other can be had
          for love, money, liquor--how surprising--or affection.
          Meat, meat, more meat, and less tobacco.</p>
          <p>In the same issue of the Chronicle, the Caswell County
          agricultural fair was discussed:</p>
          <p>We hope the farmers and mechanics, the maids and the
          matrons duly appreciate its importance. If farmers would
          think more of agricultural pursuits and less about
          political parties the county would be vastly benefited.
          If the agricultural society of Caswell would advise more
          attention to the raising of corn and hogs and less
          culture of tobacco it might do good. We have lately seen
          large tobacco growers running from pillar to post trying
          to buy something to eat and couldn&#8217;t do it. Such
          men ought to fast for a few days.</p>
          <p>Two years later, in a more somber vein, the warning
          was repeated:</p>
          <p>The time for planting is close at hand and it is to be
          hoped that farmers will think of something besides
          tobacco. Folks may eat tobacco but they can&#8217;t live
          on it, nor can they live by looking at the money they</p>
          <pb n="Page 18" />
          <p>got for it. Better raise your own stock and plenty of
          food for man and beast, like our kind and venerable
          friend John Gunn, Sr., who is undoubtedly a model farmer
          if not the best in Caswell. Horses are now going at tall
          prices. Raise them for yourselves. Blue beef sells high,
          and we can&#8217;t get a milk cow worth having short of a
          big price. Raise more cattle. And there is naturally a
          four-legged hog for every two-legged one that preys upon
          hog meat. Raise your own hogs and plenty of them.
          Don&#8217;t let baccer starve us all out.</p>
          <p>The sage editor of the Chronicle was neither a
          sensationalist nor a false alarmist. Why then, with
          tobacco selling higher than ever, the factories running
          full time, and the county prosperous, did he have qualms
          about the future of tobacco? One of the reasons began
          with the discovery by the Slade brothers about 1852 of
          the new method of curing the weed to produce the bright
          yellow tobacco leaf which instantly became popular and
          caused the price of the commodity to skyrocket. This even
          occurred in Caswell County, and as a result the farmers
          of that section increased their acreage, concentrating on
          the big money crop even if the growing of needed food and
          forage had to be neglected. This was one reason Evans was
          apprehensive, for such a program seemed foolish to him
          and he said as much. Another reason for the
          publisher&#8217;s concern was that the railroads had come
          into the picture and the Dan River freighters faced
          formidable competition from the new carriers. Evans was
          convinced that the iron horse would eventually win the
          race and later events proved him to be correct. So for
          these two reasons, if no more, he fought harder than ever
          through the power of the press to help his team win.</p>
          <p>Throughout the first half of the nineteenth century
          the batting averages of the two rival towns had been on
          the whole about equal, but when the Richmond and Danville
          Railroad was chartered in 1845, Danville&#8217;s score
          began to climb. Strenuous efforts were made to have the
          [track] routed through Milton, but when that battle
          was</p>
          <pb n="Page 19" />
          <p>lost a statement in the Chronicle expressed the hope
          that the tracks would be laid far away from the town.
          This comment has been misconstrued to mean that the
          Miltonians did not want a railroad at all. Actually, the
          town desired one very much, but not one that would bypass
          the town while draining the freight from its nearby
          trading area in the other towns, especially Danville.</p>
          <p>The Milton population were then exhilarated over the
          defeat of the so-called &#8220;Danville [Steal]&#8221;,
          in which plans were thwarted to construct a road from
          Charlotte, North Carolina, to Danville, but the joy was
          short lived as the North Carolina Railroad was chartered
          in 1849 and bypassed Caswell County entirely. The
          undaunted editor next led a movement to solve the new
          dilemma and in 1850 suggested the following plan:</p>
          <p>We now contemplate a branch railroad with the central
          route in this state, to tap it somewhere in Orange or
          Alamance. To do this we shall only have some twenty-four
          or twenty-eight miles of road to build. If we can get
          this branch we promise the state and Wilmington in
          particular to pour the rich products of the valley of the
          Dan in to the Wilmington market.</p>
          <p></p>
          <p>This proposal failed to secure sufficient financial
          backing and by the mid 1850s cars were running on a
          completed road and carrying freight into Danville. Still
          Milton did not give up, and ferried goods across the Dan
          to a junction on the Richmond-Danville line. By 1858 the
          large number of ferry boat accidents inspired a clamor
          for a toll bridge built across the river so that
          Milton&#8217;s freight could be hauled by wagon to the
          Barksdale depot.</p>
          <p>During the years when the railroads were under
          construction, the North Carolina legislature issued
          numerous charters authorizing the building of plank
          roads. Milton obtained one, but the timbers were never
          laid. Instead, the Yanceyville and Danville</p>
          <pb n="Page 20" />
          <p>Plank Road was completed and Milton cut off from the
          flow of traffic more than ever. However, the possibility
          of building a railroad from the town remained, and in
          1860 Editor Evans used all the rhetoric for which he
          could find printer&#8217;s ink to promote the
          project:</p>
          <p>What stronger appeal could be made to the interests of
          patriotism of our people than the fact that this
          significant enterprise is put in jeopardy for the want of
          a comparatively trivial amount--sixty thousand dollars.
          Will they allow it to fail? Then they close their eyes to
          its vital importance and suffer it to fail by their
          default.</p>
          <p></p>
          <p>Public pulse might have been sufficiently stimulated
          by this appeal to finance the road, but the unfortunate
          war for Southern independence began the next year and
          most construction came to an end for the duration. The
          Milton Blues, which included most of the youth of the
          town and county, dutifully mobilized and bravely marched
          away to join the Confederate forces in Virginia. With the
          railroads busily hauling military supplies, Milton was
          able to again use the Dan profitably for her freight and
          tobacco continued to absorb the interest of Caswell to
          the neglect of other crops. In 1863 one frustrated
          citizen inquired of the Chronicle, &#8220;What has a body
          got to do that can&#8217;t buy bacon, beef, nor fowl,
          even if he has the money to pay for it?&#8221; to which
          the irritated editor replied, &#8220;Join the
          army.&#8221; [Laughter]</p>
          <p>In the same year [Break in recording from 46:55 to
          47:43; end of side one of tape] who was then fighting in
          the Army of Northern Virginia, finally released his pent
          up ire on the subject of tobacco:</p>
          <p>It would be a glorious deed for the Southern
          Confederacy if every tobacco factory in it were burnt to
          the ground and their very ashes scattered to the four
          winds of heaven. These moneymaking machines are mainly
          responsible for the exorbitant prices now charged for the
          accessories of life. Plenty of money and no poor kin,
          they stand on price. They would as soon give fifty
          dollars a barrel for corn as five or five</p>
          <pb n="Page 21" />
          <p>dollars a bushel for potatoes as twenty-five cents. We
          hope our legislature will pass a law not only suspending
          the manufacture of tobacco but imposing a fine of ten
          dollars on every tobacco plant cultivated during the war.
          Our idea is that people can do better without tobacco
          than meat or bread.</p>
          <p></p>
          <p>Again the crusading editor had made a plea for
          agricultural diversification and as later events proved
          again it was for the most part unheeded.</p>
          <p>When the war ended, Milton&#8217;s prosperity suffered
          extensively from the fall of the Confederacy. Part of her
          industry failed to survive the conflict; more succumbed
          to the economic rigors of Reconstruction. However, there
          was still a market for tobacco and it remained king
          although the throne was considerably shaken. After an
          abortive attempt to increase planters&#8217; interest in
          the profits from drying fruits and growing broom corn,
          the Chronicle&#8217;s editor disgustedly ceased advising
          farmers and concentrated on the town and its market.
          &#8220;Let&#8217;s get up a steamer on the Dan and
          enlarge the tobacco market,&#8221; he wrote in 1869.
          Evans then turned his attention to the problems of the
          factories and made this radical proposal:</p>
          <p>We know of one and but one way to get the tax taken
          off tobacco, and that is for the manufacturers in the
          South to hold a convention and all hands resolve to stop
          manufacturing and stop at once. This would give all the
          manufacturing business entirely to the North where the
          best government the world ever saw, in the kindness of
          its honest and fair dealing heart, has been working these
          many years to transfer it, and presto change, the whole
          tax would be at once taken off tobacco. The thousands of
          Negroes who would be turned out to starve could amuse
          themselves by making tobacco for the Northern factories,
          but we would advise anyone else to make it. If they go
          north the whites will not let them work in the factories
          and then they can&#8217;t vote nor hold office. Let us
          quit manufacturing and stop all the distilleries for two
          years, just to see what effect it will have on the
          national treasury and infernal--that&#8217;s a
          quote--revenue collectors. [Laughter] The best government
          the world ever saw ought not to rob us of our little hard
          earnings after robbing us of our Negro property.
          &#8220;It&#8217;s a shame,&#8221; an honest old Negro
          told us a few days ago. He thought it was a damn shame.
          He was abusing the government for turning him out to
          starve in the name of freedom.</p>
          <pb n="Page 22" />
          <p>This scathing article was doubtless easy for the
          editor to write because, as Robert pointed out in his
          study, the relationship between the tobacco manufacturer
          in the South and the factory in the North was not
          entirely satisfactory, even in the best of times, and
          during the trials of Reconstruction it was only natural
          to lay the blame for both old and new grievances on the
          federal government, and Evans caustically did so.</p>
          <p>Transportation facilities during the post-war period
          continued to be the major problem of the town on the Dan.
          During the war years the North Carolina legislature
          chartered the Piedmont Railway Company to connect the
          Richmond and Danville line with the North Carolina
          Railroad on the best, cheapest, and most direct
          practicable route. Again Milton was bypassed, and on
          February 14, 1866, the first cars ran on the new road
          from Greensboro to Danville. The Roanoke and Dan River
          Navigation Company was still Milton&#8217;s only
          transportation facility and while it was proclaimed alive
          and kicking in 1869, the Chronicle interpreted this to
          mean, &#8220;that is it kicks after collecting tolls but
          is as dead as the [52:16] as far as working on the river
          is concerned.&#8221; This criticism was deserved, for the
          company became increasingly indifferent to serving its
          customers and when it expired in 1880 the comment was
          that it should be made to return the tolls it collected
          for the last twenty years.</p>
          <p>In addition to these transportation problems, the
          Milton tobacco market was suffering from other ailments.
          According to Miss Tilley&#8217;s study, the warehouse
          auction method of selling tobacco originated before the
          war in the Danville area. It&#8217;s claimed by some that
          it even originated in Milton, and it was in vogue
          generally by 1870. A state tax of fifty dollars plus a
          county tax of fifty dollars and a town tax of five
          dollars levied on each warehouse was regarded as adding
          insult to injury, and in 1877 the</p>
          <pb n="Page 23" />
          <p>Chronicle predicted such an unjust revenue persecution
          would soon drive the tobacco into the Virginia market to
          be sold and manufactured. This prophecy was alarming, for
          if tobacco were ever forced to leave Milton what else
          would be left? The plight of the town on the Dan at this
          time was sad indeed, with slave labor in the county gone
          forever and luxurious living, including expensive horse
          racing, had gone with it. One by one, Milton&#8217;s
          industries were forced by the transportation bottleneck
          to either close their plants or move their operations
          elsewhere, and the mercantile business suffered
          correspondingly. Only tobacco was left and it was in
          trouble. Little wonder that Editor Evans swallowed his
          pride and solicited advertising from Danville&#8217;s
          merchants for the Chronicle on the grounds that it
          circulated in Caswell and adjacent counties that traded
          largely in Danville.</p>
          <p>By this time the Miltonians finally realized that they
          must make a desperate effort if their tobacco industry
          was to be retained and that competitive transportation
          was necessary for that purpose. As a result, after years
          of agitation and pleading that had been unheeded, the
          essential capital was miraculously acquired and in 1877
          the aging Charles Napoleon Bonaparte Evans was honored
          and rewarded with the honor of lifting the first
          shovelful of dirt for the construction of a narrow gauge
          railroad to run from Milton to Sutherland on the Richmond
          and Danville line. This was the dawn of a new day and it
          did not pass unnoticed in the press, which commented:</p>
          <p>Since the building of the Milton and Sutherland Road
          has become established fact the town that once was
          considered finished begins to look up. People are
          immigrating there. New houses are being built. A bank is
          soon to be established. Property holders are beginning to
          build dwelling houses. This is one way of how it
          works.</p>
          <pb n="Page 24" />
          <p>And in the spirit of this appraisal Milton acquired a
          new lease on life. The tobacco industry was saved, at
          least for the time being.</p>
          <p>Despite the improvement in transportation, problems
          still existed in connection with tobacco. [55:31]
          appeared on the road paid to draw for other tobacco
          markets and particularly against the Milton market. Price
          competition was keen, as indicated when the resourceful
          Evans had his fictitious creation, Jesse Holmes the
          Fool-Killer, write to the Chronicle that he everlastingly
          wore out a planter who took in his tobacco on the Milton
          market, carried it elsewhere, and got a third less for
          it.</p>
          <p>However, these and other minor problems failed to
          discourage the tobacco enthusiasts, for 2,000,000 pounds
          of the weed was sold on the Milton market in 1880 and
          there were at least four tobacco manufacturers operating
          in the town. The farmers were actually stimulated by the
          fact further that the sale of 30,000,552 pounds on the
          rival Danville market the same year took place and they
          planted larger crops than ever. Plants were still being
          set out in June of that year, when the cautious Evans
          warned the farmers that it would be more profitable to
          plant corn as enough tobacco was already in the ground.
          According to custom this advice went unheeded, and as a
          result the improvident farmers were forced to buy food
          and forage at high prices, which they blamed on the
          railroad freight rates. When this occurred the sagacious
          Evans printed a blunt rebuke:</p>
          <p>The railroads are now feeding this tobacco country,
          furnishing us with nearly all that we eat, bacon, corn,
          and flour, and but for them dumb brutes would be on very
          short rations two thirds of the year. Stop abusing the
          railroads.</p>
          <p>Nevertheless, tobacco acreage was not decreased.</p>
          <pb n="Page 25" />
          <p>The claim has been made that at one time
          Milton&#8217;s population approximated 1,500 people, but
          this assertion has neither been substantiated nor
          disproved. The national census of 1880, the first to list
          the population of towns, gave Milton 613 people. In the
          ensuing decade this figure increased to 705, probably
          because of improved transportation facilities and despite
          the overproduction of tobacco. In 1889 one manufacturer
          in the town sold 224,000 pounds of his product and
          business improved in general, regardless of the fact that
          in the same year eighteen manufacturers in Danville sold
          7,000,000-odd pounds, four in Reidsville 8,000,000-odd
          pounds, twenty in Winston 8,000,000-odd pounds, and
          Durham&#8217;s four accounted for 4,500,000 pounds of
          smoking tobacco. This contrast might ordinarily have been
          discouraging, but business was improving in Milton and
          tobacco was still king.</p>
          <p>There were other concrete reasons for the confidence
          of the economic situation prevalent in the Caswell town.
          During the last quarter of the nineteenth century, the
          Atlantic and Danville Railroad, first known as the
          Norfolk, Danville, and Franklin Road, was constructed and
          it ran through Milton. At long last there was a real
          railroad in the county and in the same period the long
          desired toll bridge spanning the Dan at Milton became a
          reality. Never had the town been in a better position to
          diversify its economy and the visional Evans promptly
          recognized this opportunity with a prophecy:</p>
          <p>Milton has taken no false growth since the war. It has
          improved slowly but perceptibly, we trust a sure growth.
          Her businessmen have remained substantial and their
          credit unimpaired. But Milton as a water power is bound
          to develop solid results in less than ten years. There
          will be mills and factories and railroads will be running
          along the fine Dan River bottom. It&#8217;s bound to be.
          Nature invites it.</p>
          <p>The water power praised by the editor was a natural
          resource to which Milton had equal access with Danville,
          and textile mills were dependent upon it. In 1882
          three</p>
          <pb n="Page 26" />
          <p>cotton factories were organized in the Virginia town,
          financed largely by earnings accumulated in the tobacco
          trade and other local enterprises, while the Miltonians
          continued to focus their interest on the growing demand
          for tobacco. There was sufficient capital in the Carolina
          town, also accrued from tobacco profits, to finance new
          enterprises and utilize the abundant water power, but
          none of it was used for such a purpose. Why invest money
          in speculated ventures such as textile mills, the
          Miltonians reasoned, when they already had a prosperous
          and growing tobacco industry? Thus the possible
          development of their natural asset was disregarded and
          this proved to be a tragic mistake. Had the town seized
          this opportunity while it was useful, it might have
          safeguarded its future with a variety of industries and
          become a commercial center of distinction, but tobacco
          was king and only one head could wear the crown so the
          water power remained undeveloped.</p>
          <p>While the ideas of Evans were being ignored by his
          overconfident associates, a tiny cloud was forming on the
          horizon which would increase in size and blot out
          Milton&#8217;s rainbow. The American Tobacco Company was
          organized in 1889, and the means by which it speedily
          gained control of the tobacco industry have been related
          in such detail by Miss Tilley that they need no
          repetition here. The independent manufacturers of the
          commodity soon succumbed to the ruthless onslaught of the
          giant corporation, and one by one the factories in
          Milton, as almost everywhere else, were forced to close
          their doors. With the elimination of these buyers, the
          town&#8217;s tobacco market could no longer operate
          profitably and the warehouses were forced out of
          business. The king was dead and no crown prince had been
          reared to occupy the throne.</p>
          <pb n="Page 27" />
          <p>This economic disaster did not take place overnight,
          but when the ultimate outcome became clearly discernible
          no effort was successful if indeed it was even made to
          unite the town in the promotion of new commercial
          enterprises. Instead, the dazed citizens ruefully watched
          their population shrink to 419 in 1910 and then slide
          steadily downward to the present figure of 235. Tobacco
          was gone, and the general opinion was that nothing would
          ever take its place. The county continued to grow the
          weed, but it was sold in other markets and the profits
          spent in other towns. Consequently, mercantile
          establishments shrank in size and number while many
          citizens, including most professional men, moved
          elsewhere. Those who remained continued to watch in
          bewilderment as the town declined from its former
          importance to a small residential community. Caswell
          County fared little better, for it failed to be warned by
          Milton&#8217;s plight. Its farmers continued the
          concentration on tobacco until the county income from its
          sale dropped one year to $135,000 and agricultural agency
          officials declared Caswell was sick of its own child,
          tobacco.</p>
          <p>Happily, the economic situation in the county has
          improved somewhat, but Milton has changed very little.
          Today its business section is composed of a few old
          fashioned stores, a service station, and a post office.
          The rambling wooden hotel rented by textile strikers from
          Danville during the 1930s shortly thereafter burned to
          the ground and became another memory of bygone days. A
          few buildings from the affluent period remain and are
          dispersed among more modern residences. The tracks of the
          once vital railroad become a little more rusty with each
          passing year, and though a paved highway runs into the
          town over a toll-free bridge spanning the Dan, a
          comparatively small amount of traffic flows over its hard
          surface. Miltonians cherish</p>
          <pb n="Page 28" />
          <p>their more glamorous past but seem completely
          apathetic to any possibility of future growth and
          development. The town is not dead; it&#8217;s simply
          standing still, a shadow of its former self.</p>
          <p>In summary, Milton&#8217;s first major economic
          setback was the failure to have either the North Carolina
          Railroad or the Piedmont Railway routed through the town.
          While railway transportation was in its infancy, had the
          citizens built fewer tobacco warehouses and financed
          their own connecting road, as they eventually did, much
          of the diversified industry which the town had attracted
          might have been retained and even enlarged. Competitive
          transportation facilities would have been available
          earlier which might have enabled Milton to enlarge its
          tobacco market to such an extent that losing the support
          of the independent manufacturers would not have wrecked
          the market. In the second place, when the railroad was
          finally in operation and business improving, the failure
          to invest in textile manufacturing and other enterprises
          by harnessing the water power of the Dan was a tragic
          mistake. With rail facilities, abundant water power, and
          population increasing, Milton might have been the home of
          one of the large tobacco factories which were built in
          Reidsville and elsewhere and a site of cotton mills which
          might rival those which have made Danville famous. Who
          knows?</p>
          <p>Lastly, and hardest of all to believe or understand,
          is the spirit of hopelessness that apparently prevailed
          after king tobacco died. The town was severely crippled
          but not mortally wounded, but ideas and plans to promote
          new enterprises and subsequent growth either were not
          forthcoming or they failed to mature. However, the
          citizens should not be judged too harshly for their
          lethargy. They had hitched their wagon to a star and
          though it zigzagged back and forth they faithfully clung
          to it until finally it fell.</p>
          <pb n="Page 29" />
          <p>Then they could conceive of no substitute for their
          fallen idol and they remained bewildered by their altered
          circumstances. Traces of this attitude are still
          discernible today, but there is also evident a note of
          pride among the citizens in the fact that their town did
          survive its tribulations. Possibly someday innovations
          will develop and Milton will again rise in importance,
          although it seems most unlikely that tobacco will be the
          cause of this revival. Thank you. [Applause] [Pause]</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000032">
          <speaker>John Ellen</speaker>
          <p>Professor Stokes will entertain questions if you have
          any, so I throw the floor open to questions.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Durwood T. Stokes</speaker>
          <p>I thought he said submit to questions but I guess
          it&#8217;s the same thing. Anybody have a question,
          I&#8217;ll try. I guess you&#8217;re back there. I
          can&#8217;t see anybody. [Laughter] Yes, sir?</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000034">
          <speaker>Questioner One</speaker>
          <p>I thought he said submit to questions but I guess
          it&#8217;s the same thing. Anybody have a question,
          I&#8217;ll try. I guess you&#8217;re back there. I
          can&#8217;t see anybody. [Laughter] Yes, sir?</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Durwood T. Stokes</speaker>
          <p>Yes sir, they were, and this was the period when Evans
          was trying in his newspaper to get them to take another
          attitude. Of the hundreds of issues of that paper that he
          must have published in half a century, only sixty-five
          are still in existence and from that small amount we can
          see so many statements he made along this line that if we
          had the whole file it might have been a really
          interesting effort which he made, but it was not heeded.
          As long as things were good at hand they didn&#8217;t
          seem to worry about what other folks were doing, not even
          when Milton was bragging about its 2,000,000-pound-sale
          in the same year Danville sold over 30,000,000. One
          reason, I think--it&#8217;s a little difficult to
          determine this exactly--is that the capital in Milton was
          concentrated in a fairly small number of hands. They
          owned the tobacco factories, they</p>
          <pb n="Page 30" />
          <p>owned large tobacco farms, and they were doing all
          right for themselves for the time being so they just
          didn&#8217;t worry about any other possibility. As they
          will tell you there today, they put all their eggs in one
          basket and then dropped the basket. I don&#8217;t know
          whether that answers your question or not, but
          that&#8217;s as close as I can come to it.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000034">
          <speaker>Questioner One</speaker>
          <p>Yes, sir, I think that does help, your idea about the
          capital being in just a few folks&#8217; hands
          [1:10:11]</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Durwood T. Stokes</speaker>
          <p>Well, in support of that, if you go to Milton today
          there are some charming people there. I have some real
          good friends in Milton. [In a] conversation with one they
          make no reference at all to what their town might do.
          It&#8217;s what their town did once upon a time.
          That&#8217;s all they want to talk about, sort of like my
          grandfather was about the Confederacy. He never finished
          talking about that until he died, and they&#8217;re still
          talking about Milton&#8217;s glorious past with the
          tobacco market, tobacco industry. It&#8217;s difficult to
          understand. I can&#8217;t say exactly why this attitude
          is the one they had but it certainly was there and
          it&#8217;s not completely dead yet. Yes, sir?</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000035">
          <speaker>Questioner Two</speaker>
          <p>Is not that an attitude you find in a lot of small
          country towns clear across the country [1:11:08] North
          Carolina or South Carolina but all the across the country
          you find that attitude in many small country towns.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Durwood T. Stokes</speaker>
          <p>Durwood Stokes: I think very likely so. Let me explain
          my part on this program there, in case anybody
          doesn&#8217;t understand it. A mention was made in the
          beginning about all the experts on tobacco history.
          I&#8217;m not one of them. I&#8217;m not a tobacco
          historian. I&#8217;m just supposed to be an expert on the
          town of Milton because nobody else ever got interested
          enough in it to, [Laughter] to be that, but I think
          that&#8217;s true. Yes, I think we could cite examples
          and maybe not pin it on tobacco. In some other places
          it</p>
          <pb n="Page 31" />
          <p>might have been a cotton mill which got outmoded and
          they wouldn&#8217;t turn it into rayon or something and
          so you&#8217;ve got an empty factory there today.
          There&#8217;s a great deal of puzzle too about just how
          big Milton actually was one time. Tradition certainly
          gives it--pretty substantial tradition too--over 1,500
          inhabitants and a really substantial amount of
          diversified industry there at one time. But I only based
          my paper on just what I could actually substantiate, so I
          don&#8217;t know, but I do know the population rose
          several hundred from 1880 to 1890 and then it started
          going downhill again.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000036">
          <speaker>Questioner Three</speaker>
          <p>Dr. Stokes, what year did you say that the Chronicle
          started under Editor Evans?</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Durwood Stokes</speaker>
          <p>I think I said 1840</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000036">
          <speaker>Questioner Three</speaker>
          <p>Was he a native North Carolinian?</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Durwood Stokes</speaker>
          <p>He was born in Norfolk County, Virginia, and moved to
          this state when he was a young man. He worked for Dennis
          Heartt in Hillsborough, the Hillsborough Recorder, and
          the Raleigh Register, and two or three print shops to
          learn the printing business. Then he went to Greensboro
          when Swain died and he was a relative of Swain&#8217;s
          widow and edited the Greensboro paper for some time and
          then he went over to Milton and bought the Milton paper
          and established it as the Chronicle. He was a newspaper
          editor far above many of his day. He was a cousin of
          William Sydney Porter, O. Henry. In fact, O. Henry wrote
          one of his short stories that&#8217;s in the collection
          of Voice of the City I believe, based on Evans&#8217;s
          fictitious character, Jesse Holmes, the Fool-Killer and
          he named it &#8220;The Fool-Killer.&#8221; This Holmes
          was a character Evans invented who once a month would
          write a letter to the editor and his business in life was
          going around with a club hitting fools over the head and
          he told</p>
          <pb n="Page 32" />
          <p>why. He stayed awful busy. [Laughter] Evans used this
          way to bring out political criticism. In fact, he said
          the Fool-Killer went to Raleigh once and went to see
          Governor Holden, who jumped out the window when he saw
          him coming.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000036">
          <speaker>Questioner Three</speaker>
          <p>Thank you.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Durwood Stokes</speaker>
          <p>Just one more thing, since you started me on Evans, he
          died in the North Carolina Senate, a member of the
          senate, and Caswell County might have sent him to that
          august body profitably many years earlier than they did,
          but they finally did and he was still working to improve
          things for his county and went home for the weekend and
          caught cold on the train, on the railroad, and died of
          pneumonia from it. But he edited that paper just about
          fifty years. [Laughs] If I can&#8217;t answer them I can
          sidestep them anyway. [Laughter] Any other questions?
          Speak out because I can&#8217;t see you.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000037">
          <speaker>Questioner Four</speaker>
          <p>What is the present day situation in Milton on
          tobacco? Are they still raising it there in that
          area?</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Durwood Stokes</speaker>
          <p>Well they raise it in Caswell County, but not
          particularly in Milton. Milton&#8217;s just a residential
          town today. The mayor of the town lives in Milton and
          runs an oil business in Yanceyville. [Laughter] Some of
          them work in Danville, teach in the county schools; that
          kind of thing. It&#8217;s a beautiful place and work has
          been done for historic preservation there for the few
          remaining old buildings that are left, which show that it
          was very affluent at one time. It&#8217;s just a pleasant
          little residential town that&#8217;s bypassed by most
          civilization. You know when Bob Scott had never been</p>
          <pb n="Page 33" />
          <p>there until 1971 it&#8217;s not on the main line of
          traffic at all. [Laughter] I think I saw a hand over--.
          Just speak out. I can&#8217;t see you.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000038">
          <speaker>Questioner Five</speaker>
          <p>Were there any attempts by Danville businesses to
          found branch offices in Milton after the Civil War?</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Durwood Stokes</speaker>
          <p>Yes, but it did not amount to much until this railroad
          was acquired there. The whole thing that was holding
          Milton up was it was not in on the competitive
          transportation, but it could have been. The only way they
          ever got on it was to build a railroad and pay for it
          themselves, and had they done it thirty years earlier the
          picture might have been very different, but they were
          making money on tobacco and they just kept sitting and
          waiting for something to happen. It was only when they
          got desperate that they raised the money to build the
          railroad to connect to the main line.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000038">
          <speaker>Questioner Five</speaker>
          <p>I had thought there was some evidence that Sutherland,
          of the railroad fame, had opened a number of stores
          there, and finance companies and insurance companies?</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Durwood Stokes</speaker>
          <p>Oh, he did along in the period when it was reviving
          after they got the narrow gauge railroad. He&#8217;s the
          one that furnished the principal enthusiasm and good deal
          of capital for that road, did a great deal for Milton,
          but they simply did not take advantage of the opportunity
          sufficiently. At the time Sutherland was working with
          Milton, Milton had ample opportunity to revive to a
          greater extent than it had ever been before, all this
          water power there, its tobacco business all right, but it
          could have diversified its industry and become quite
          important, but they simply took no interest in it, and
          about that time Evans died and he was the chief prodder
          of the conscience of the</p>
          <pb n="Page 34" />
          <p>people, I think and he couldn&#8217;t move them beyond
          a certain point. Was there another hand over here?
          Yes?</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000039">
          <speaker>Questioner Six</speaker>
          <p>Was there any kind of description of religious
          antagonism to tobacco or any rumor of a health
          menace?</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Durwood Stokes</speaker>
          <p>Not that I ever heard of, not in Milton.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000039">
          <speaker>Questioner Six</speaker>
          <p>Or in the community?</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Durwood Stokes</speaker>
          <p>I don&#8217;t think there is even yet. [Laughter]
          Because they still think tobacco is the golden weed in
          more ways than one. They&#8217;re broad minded about it
          though. They&#8217;ll admit Milton played a long shot and
          lost. They don&#8217;t seem to be bitter about it, and
          not interested in doing anything else about it either.
          [Laughter] It&#8217;s not dead, it&#8217;s just asleep,
          and they don&#8217;t seem to want to wake up. But
          it&#8217;s a nice, pleasant residential community, a nice
          place to retire to. It&#8217;s peaceful and quiet. I
          never found but one place more quiet and that was down at
          Hatteras one summer. [Laughter] Before they built a road.
          I don&#8217;t think there was any antagonism of that kind
          at all.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000040">
          <speaker>Questioner Seven</speaker>
          <p>Dr. Stokes.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Durwood Stokes</speaker>
          <p>Yes?</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000040">
          <speaker>Questioner Seven</speaker>
          <p>I get the impression that what you&#8217;re saying is
          that tobacco as a good cash crop was somehow at fault
          here. Weren&#8217;t the people really victims of
          circumstances beyond their control: the American Tobacco
          Company, the Civil War, the railroad, and that sort of
          thing?</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Durwood Stokes</speaker>
          <p>Well they were in some ways but if they&#8217;d had
          sufficient diversification they might have survived
          industrially.</p>
        </sp>
        <pb n="Page 35" />
        <sp who="#name-00000040">
          <speaker>Questioner Seven</speaker>
          <p>[If it hadn&#8217;t brought] quite so good a price
          they might be better off today, is what you&#8217;re
          saying.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000029">
          <speaker>Durwood Stokes</speaker>
          <p>[Laughs] Well as to that, I don&#8217;t know. But
          other cities, towns, lost their independent tobacco
          manufacturers and still were able to maintain their
          markets. They had other things to fall back on. Milton
          simply got to the point where its population
          couldn&#8217;t survive. When 300 out of 700-odd people in
          ten years move away from a town, it&#8217;s pretty
          significant if there&#8217;s not much being down there to
          provide employment or develop anything, and that&#8217;s
          what they did. I think the trouble is not that they
          couldn&#8217;t do well with tobacco. They did too well
          with it and they didn&#8217;t want to do anything
          else.</p>
        </sp>
        <sp who="#name-00000032">
          <speaker>John Ellen</speaker>
          <p>Thank you. We&#8217;ll have a short break for a coffee
          break and reconvene about 11:15 for the second paper.
          Thank you.</p>
        </sp>
        <p>END OF RECORDING</p>
        <p></p>
        <p>Transcriber: Deborah Mitchum</p>
        <p>Date: October 8, 2010</p>
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